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Lotus sad ima Benzovu mašinu, a Sauberi ulaze u prvih 10, u principu, samo kad ostali kiksaju. Ipak čvršće su mi u prvih 10 bili prošle godine RBR i McL, nego ove godine Lotus i Sauber. Tako da ja ipak smatram da je STRu ove godine ipak nešto malo lakše osvajati bodove.
A što se tiče RBR, definitivno se osjeti relativna Adrianova "odsutnost", u odnosu na ranije sezone.
Međutim i dalje stoje činjenice koje sam naveo u prethodnom postu, a to je da Renault zeznuo sa svojom PU, te da su Ferrari i Willy napredovali.
A što se tiče RBR, definitivno se osjeti relativna Adrianova "odsutnost", u odnosu na ranije sezone.
Međutim i dalje stoje činjenice koje sam naveo u prethodnom postu, a to je da Renault zeznuo sa svojom PU, te da su Ferrari i Willy napredovali.
Yeah, it's on purpose!
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A sad ako je Toro Rosso bolji nego lani, to je zato što je Red Bull sranje, a ne zato što se Toro Rosso dosta poravio? Ne seri. I pored toliko problema sa Renaultom, toliko potrošenih motora, i ponekoj grešci dva rookija, skupili su više bodova nego prošle godine. To se nikako ne može pripisati Renaultu, koji je kao što sam rekao puno lošiji nego prošle godine. To pokazuje i veći broj iskorištenih motora u odnosu na prošlu godinu. Napredak Toro Rossa je isključivo zbog puno boljeg ovogodišnjeg bolida. To se iz aviona vidi.
Čitam na F1 stranici, u jednom članku pišu osvojeni bodovi po motorima. Mercedesi uzeli 909 bodova, Ferrari 393, Renault 194 i Honda 19. E sad zamisli koliko su od toga Red Bull i Toro Rosso samo izvukli odličnim bolidima. Zamisli da je umjesto ove divje ekipe Renaultov motor bio u na primjer Lotusu i Manoru. Manor nebi sa ovakvim bolidom ni sa jednim motorom osvojio bodove. A Lotus je ove sezone uzeo 66 bodova sa Mercedesovim motorom. Sa Renaultom bi vjerovatno uzeli manje nego McLaren sa hondom. S obzirom da su lani uzeli samo 10 bodova, a Renault je lani barem pouzdaniji bio. Ako ne i brži.
Čitam na F1 stranici, u jednom članku pišu osvojeni bodovi po motorima. Mercedesi uzeli 909 bodova, Ferrari 393, Renault 194 i Honda 19. E sad zamisli koliko su od toga Red Bull i Toro Rosso samo izvukli odličnim bolidima. Zamisli da je umjesto ove divje ekipe Renaultov motor bio u na primjer Lotusu i Manoru. Manor nebi sa ovakvim bolidom ni sa jednim motorom osvojio bodove. A Lotus je ove sezone uzeo 66 bodova sa Mercedesovim motorom. Sa Renaultom bi vjerovatno uzeli manje nego McLaren sa hondom. S obzirom da su lani uzeli samo 10 bodova, a Renault je lani barem pouzdaniji bio. Ako ne i brži.
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Ovo je bilo upućeno mcl-u !?!?senja je napisao/la:A sad ako je Toro Rosso bolji nego lani, to je zato što je Red Bull sranje, a ne zato što se Toro Rosso dosta poravio? Ne seri. I pored toliko problema sa Renaultom, toliko potrošenih motora, i ponekoj grešci dva rookija, skupili su više bodova nego prošle godine. To se nikako ne može pripisati Renaultu, koji je kao što sam rekao puno lošiji nego prošle godine. To pokazuje i veći broj iskorištenih motora u odnosu na prošlu godinu. Napredak Toro Rossa je isključivo zbog puno boljeg ovogodišnjeg bolida. To se iz aviona vidi.
Čitam na F1 stranici, u jednom članku pišu osvojeni bodovi po motorima. Mercedesi uzeli 909 bodova, Ferrari 393, Renault 194 i Honda 19. E sad zamisli koliko su od toga Red Bull i Toro Rosso samo izvukli odličnim bolidima. Zamisli da je umjesto ove divje ekipe Renaultov motor bio u na primjer Lotusu i Manoru. Manor nebi sa ovakvim bolidom ni sa jednim motorom osvojio bodove. A Lotus je ove sezone uzeo 66 bodova sa Mercedesovim motorom. Sa Renaultom bi vjerovatno uzeli manje nego McLaren sa hondom. S obzirom da su lani uzeli samo 10 bodova, a Renault je lani barem pouzdaniji bio. Ako ne i brži.
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Ja hvala Bogu nemam nikakvih problema. Za razliku od tvojih problema sa inteligencijom, i kontanjem stvari...
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 40969.html
U zadnje vrijeme se manje kvare, jer su mu smanjili snagu
A nebi ni prošle godine bili ništa bolji da Red Bull nije uzeo stvari u svoje ruke.
@Frantic, da.
http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 40969.html
2015er engine worse than previous version
Then there's the ego stand in the way. Dietrich Mateschitz and Renault CEO Carlos Ghosn would jump over his own shadow. And Red Bull takes another season without a real chance of winning acceptance. One of the reasons for the separation was that Renault pointed technically no prospects. Measurements in Montreal have shown: This year's motor is inferior to the version of 2014th
Ne žele pomoć od Red Bulla, koji je već uložio svoje pare. A oni sami napravili gori motor nego prošle godine, koji se više kvari i više trošiBut Renault also wanted to never let help correct. Red Bull had for nearly two million euros financed a development aid in the cylinder head of Ilmor, the Renault shortly declined despite better results. It was in summer the chance to poach a Mercedes engineer. They went by unused.

U zadnje vrijeme se manje kvare, jer su mu smanjili snagu

A nebi ni prošle godine bili ništa bolji da Red Bull nije uzeo stvari u svoje ruke.
@Frantic, da.
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Monisha o Red Bull sagi
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/ ... e-they-get
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/ ... e-they-get
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In Germany articles were published giving more background on the Red Bull engine debacle:
Ecclestone wanted (needed) a fourth engine manufacturer and in the process gave Audi essentially anything they asked for, much like he did with Mercedes leading to the current dominance. Red Bull figured they would jump on that sure thing and started dumping Renault. But there was one issue: Audi asked not to come in until 2018 so they would not look like Honda has, so RBR started courting Mercedes without telling them of their intention of using them as a short term bridge.
Toto Wolff told the MB board of RBRs plan. The big bosses were furious and withdrew the offer.
Then DieselGate happened and F1 hating Piech was back in, RBR caught with their pants down having refused Ferrari's offer in the mean time.
Now they are said to be considering Honda which sounds crazy but if Honda's issue is with the Battery part of the power unit, RedBull has considerable resources and expertise in that department.
Stay tuned..
37 mins ·
In Germany articles were published giving more background on the Red Bull engine debacle:
Ecclestone wanted (needed) a fourth engine manufacturer and in the process gave Audi essentially anything they asked for, much like he did with Mercedes leading to the current dominance. Red Bull figured they would jump on that sure thing and started dumping Renault. But there was one issue: Audi asked not to come in until 2018 so they would not look like Honda has, so RBR started courting Mercedes without telling them of their intention of using them as a short term bridge.
Toto Wolff told the MB board of RBRs plan. The big bosses were furious and withdrew the offer.
Then DieselGate happened and F1 hating Piech was back in, RBR caught with their pants down having refused Ferrari's offer in the mean time.
Now they are said to be considering Honda which sounds crazy but if Honda's issue is with the Battery part of the power unit, RedBull has considerable resources and expertise in that department.
Stay tuned..
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Možda opet bude nešto od kombinacije RBR-Honda
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... in-ongoing
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... in-ongoing
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Hmmm, na šta li će ovo izaći na kraju?
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/ ... es-in-2016
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12475/ ... es-in-2016
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RBR ne moze preci na Hondine motore jer jasno postoji klauzula u ugovoru izmedu McLarena i Honde. Tako da te spike da FIA moze narediti Hondi da opskrbljavaju RBR padaju u vodu. Nije Eccelstone rekao bez razloga da je Denis stavio veto na odluku Honde te da on i fia ne mogu ništa po tome pitanju. Šta je bilo s onim da RBR nije raskinuo ugovor s Renaultom te da bi njih Renault morao opskrbljivati po ugovoru. Po svemu sudeci RBR leti iz formule 1 barem na godinu dana.
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Red Bull uskoro proizvodi SVOJU mašinu!!!
Ova navlačenja koju će mašinu za sljdeću sezonu uzeti, i ovo nekorištenje ovih zadnjih 14 tokena je usko povezano. Naime RB-ov inžinjer i inovator agregata Mario Illien ove godine je imao pune ruke posla, naime RB je 'posudio' Renaltu Maria Illiena Renaultu da naparvi dio agregata, pošto je Mario Illien istovremeno razvijao novo RedBullovo postrojenje u kojem će se raditi novi agregati pod intelektualnom vlasništvu RB-a u cijeloj priči su došla natezanja oko tog intelektualnog vlasništva koje je uložio RB u zadnji Renault (onih zadnjih 14 tokena koji donose 40 konjskih snaga). Upravo zbog toga je RB tražio novog dobavljača. Sada kad je riješeno to između RB-a i Renaulta više nemaju potrebu za novim dobavljačem. Sljedeće godine RB će koristiti ovu zadnju specifikaciju sa tih 14 tokena koji donose 40HP te će razvijati novu mašinu. Tu je napravljen kompromis, jer se Renault zauzvrat obavezao pomoći RB-u izgraditi taj kompleks za razvoj novih agregata. RB trenutno planira da će se ti novi agregati nazivati pod brendom Infiniti, naravno u slučaju da se Renault-Nissan bude složio sa tim, no ako nebudu onda će odabrati neki novi brend. Počinje nova borba agregata.. i to između Renaulta i RB-a
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EXCLUSIVE: RED BULL SECURE AN ENGINE FOR 2016

Probably the biggest F1 controversy for a number of years has finally ended. Having cancelled their engine contract for 2016 with Renault without a replacement partner, Red Bull Racing have been accused of ‘jumping from an airplane and trying to buy a parachute on the way down.’ This has led to the widely held view that Red Bull Racing could actually withdraw from Formula One at the end of this year.
The bitterness that has been expressed between Renault and RBR senior personnel has led most observers to believe that the relationship is terminal. And when the normally sanguine Adrian Newey states that, “Unfortunately, our relationship with Renault is pretty terminal — there’s been too much of a marriage breakdown, so we have no engine,” then the only conclusion to be drawn is – that’s that.
However, TJ13 can reveal Red Bull Racing will not be leaving Formula One in 2016. They have in fact tonight secured an engine to power the RB12 at what for many is the 11th hour and 59th minute. Then again, given TJ13’s exclusive reporting on the new engine facility constructed by Red Bull Racing in building 9 at their HQ, maybe this is not so big a surprise.
RBR will be running the Renault 12 token upgraded engine in Brazil, having passed on using it in both Austin and Mexico. This power unit upgrade has been the result of a joint effort between Renault and the Red Bull appointed consultant Mario Illien. TJ13 has learned that the reason Red Bull have refused to run this PU at the past two races is because no agreement on joint intellectual property had been finalised. The deal is now done.
Mario Illien, the former Ilmor engine guru, has been working in the new Milton Keynes building 9 for over a year and assisting Renault in solving fundamental design flaws in their F1 power unit. Much of this revolves around the engine block.
The result is that Renault have agreed to manufacture and supply Red Bull Racing for the near future, the co-designed 12 token upgraded ICE, whilst Red Bull will supply their own ERS components for the F1 power unit.
Further, it has been agreed between the parties that Red Bull will be able to develop the ICE further in their building 9 complex, without reference to Renault, and that intellectual property of the base unit as it stands now, is jointly owned. Disagreements between Renault and RBR over the intellectual property of the ‘co-developed’ PU has been the reason RBR have been desperately seeking a temporary engine partner for 2016. These matters appear to be now resolved.
The Red Bull Racing power unit for 2016 is expected to be branded as Infiniti, should they and Reanult-Nissan agree on this. If not, the engine development costs going forward will be met by Red Bull and another partner will be credited.
TJ13 has been informed that Red Bull Racing are already confident they will start the 2016 season with a revised version of the current Renault 12 token upgraded ICE, with a power unit producing in excess of a 40 BHP advantage.
Renault will now complete the acquisition of Lotus to run a ‘works team’ in 2016, and so let battle royal commence between the French F1 engine manufacturer maestro’s of the past 30 years versus the new kids on the block – who by the way said they were never going to be an F1 engine manufacturer.
Then again, when you’ve pissed off everyone else, ‘needs must’ – is the only conclusion.
As an aside, it may well be that the Red Bull engine solution now kills off the Jean Todt and Bernie Ecclestone’s idea of an independent F1 engine supplier. RBR are sorted, ‘crisis over.’
Ova navlačenja koju će mašinu za sljdeću sezonu uzeti, i ovo nekorištenje ovih zadnjih 14 tokena je usko povezano. Naime RB-ov inžinjer i inovator agregata Mario Illien ove godine je imao pune ruke posla, naime RB je 'posudio' Renaltu Maria Illiena Renaultu da naparvi dio agregata, pošto je Mario Illien istovremeno razvijao novo RedBullovo postrojenje u kojem će se raditi novi agregati pod intelektualnom vlasništvu RB-a u cijeloj priči su došla natezanja oko tog intelektualnog vlasništva koje je uložio RB u zadnji Renault (onih zadnjih 14 tokena koji donose 40 konjskih snaga). Upravo zbog toga je RB tražio novog dobavljača. Sada kad je riješeno to između RB-a i Renaulta više nemaju potrebu za novim dobavljačem. Sljedeće godine RB će koristiti ovu zadnju specifikaciju sa tih 14 tokena koji donose 40HP te će razvijati novu mašinu. Tu je napravljen kompromis, jer se Renault zauzvrat obavezao pomoći RB-u izgraditi taj kompleks za razvoj novih agregata. RB trenutno planira da će se ti novi agregati nazivati pod brendom Infiniti, naravno u slučaju da se Renault-Nissan bude složio sa tim, no ako nebudu onda će odabrati neki novi brend. Počinje nova borba agregata.. i to između Renaulta i RB-a

Prijepis cijelog teksta sa izvorom (u nasmovu):
EXCLUSIVE: RED BULL SECURE AN ENGINE FOR 2016

Probably the biggest F1 controversy for a number of years has finally ended. Having cancelled their engine contract for 2016 with Renault without a replacement partner, Red Bull Racing have been accused of ‘jumping from an airplane and trying to buy a parachute on the way down.’ This has led to the widely held view that Red Bull Racing could actually withdraw from Formula One at the end of this year.
The bitterness that has been expressed between Renault and RBR senior personnel has led most observers to believe that the relationship is terminal. And when the normally sanguine Adrian Newey states that, “Unfortunately, our relationship with Renault is pretty terminal — there’s been too much of a marriage breakdown, so we have no engine,” then the only conclusion to be drawn is – that’s that.
However, TJ13 can reveal Red Bull Racing will not be leaving Formula One in 2016. They have in fact tonight secured an engine to power the RB12 at what for many is the 11th hour and 59th minute. Then again, given TJ13’s exclusive reporting on the new engine facility constructed by Red Bull Racing in building 9 at their HQ, maybe this is not so big a surprise.
RBR will be running the Renault 12 token upgraded engine in Brazil, having passed on using it in both Austin and Mexico. This power unit upgrade has been the result of a joint effort between Renault and the Red Bull appointed consultant Mario Illien. TJ13 has learned that the reason Red Bull have refused to run this PU at the past two races is because no agreement on joint intellectual property had been finalised. The deal is now done.
Mario Illien, the former Ilmor engine guru, has been working in the new Milton Keynes building 9 for over a year and assisting Renault in solving fundamental design flaws in their F1 power unit. Much of this revolves around the engine block.
The result is that Renault have agreed to manufacture and supply Red Bull Racing for the near future, the co-designed 12 token upgraded ICE, whilst Red Bull will supply their own ERS components for the F1 power unit.
Further, it has been agreed between the parties that Red Bull will be able to develop the ICE further in their building 9 complex, without reference to Renault, and that intellectual property of the base unit as it stands now, is jointly owned. Disagreements between Renault and RBR over the intellectual property of the ‘co-developed’ PU has been the reason RBR have been desperately seeking a temporary engine partner for 2016. These matters appear to be now resolved.
The Red Bull Racing power unit for 2016 is expected to be branded as Infiniti, should they and Reanult-Nissan agree on this. If not, the engine development costs going forward will be met by Red Bull and another partner will be credited.
TJ13 has been informed that Red Bull Racing are already confident they will start the 2016 season with a revised version of the current Renault 12 token upgraded ICE, with a power unit producing in excess of a 40 BHP advantage.
Renault will now complete the acquisition of Lotus to run a ‘works team’ in 2016, and so let battle royal commence between the French F1 engine manufacturer maestro’s of the past 30 years versus the new kids on the block – who by the way said they were never going to be an F1 engine manufacturer.
Then again, when you’ve pissed off everyone else, ‘needs must’ – is the only conclusion.
As an aside, it may well be that the Red Bull engine solution now kills off the Jean Todt and Bernie Ecclestone’s idea of an independent F1 engine supplier. RBR are sorted, ‘crisis over.’
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Davno sam sam se pitao, zasto se ne povezu sa Infinitijem, tacnije Nissanom i krenu u proizvodnju svojih motora. Ne znam koliku šaku Renault ima, pa da lupi od sto i zabrani to, posto je Nissan pod Renault grupacijom, ali kako kazu 'Para vrti gdje burgija nece'.
Davno sam sam se pitao, zasto se ne povezu sa Infinitijem, tacnije Nissanom i krenu u proizvodnju svojih motora. Ne znam koliku šaku Renault ima, pa da lupi od sto i zabrani to, posto je Nissan pod Renault grupacijom, ali kako kazu 'Para vrti gdje burgija nece'.
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Kolko sam ja skužio to nema veze ni sa Infinitijem ni Nissanom, već je projekt nebrendiran.. neznam kako to ide sa marketinogom, no ako Infiniti nepristane ponudit će naziv nekoj drugoj kući.. meni se više čini da je to samo marketing koji bi podržao svojim troškovima cijeli projekt. RB ima para da kupi izvrsne stručnjake u tom pogledu, pa dobili su na pladnju Illmor motors, što ćeš više. Za sada RB nema nikakvih službenih izjava (for the moment don't have any comments") što neznači da ih neće biti:
https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/662266257346048000 Sad mi još više ima smisla to nedavanje RB-u agregate od aktualnih sezona.. pošto bi to mogli naknadno dobro iskoristiti u svrhu svlastite proizvodnje. Ako Illmor radi cijeli jedan sprat, odjeljenje za razvitak u Miltonu baš za agregat, to nije moglo proći nezamjećeno.
https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/662266257346048000 Sad mi još više ima smisla to nedavanje RB-u agregate od aktualnih sezona.. pošto bi to mogli naknadno dobro iskoristiti u svrhu svlastite proizvodnje. Ako Illmor radi cijeli jedan sprat, odjeljenje za razvitak u Miltonu baš za agregat, to nije moglo proći nezamjećeno.
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zanimljivo mi je to da vijest nisu prenijeli mnogi poznati sajtovi...
ali ima smisla sve, to ne mogu poreć.
ali ima smisla sve, to ne mogu poreć.
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ovaj vijest se nadovezuje na hattov link.
http://www.motorsportmagazine.com/f1/re ... 16-engine/
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