zekohonda je napisao/la: 06.11.2021., 21:33

Frantic je napisao/la: 06.11.2021., 21:01

Kico je napisao/la: 06.11.2021., 20:05 Prigodno za sutrašnju utrku!!

https://youtu.be/_Ukyj3ONAnQ

I ne stave svoj prvi WDC iz 1987. sa Nelsonom.

Slažem se, frantiče.

Slab sam na Nelsona, iako nikad nije vozio za crvene.
Odmalena, jbga.
A i jedan je od "indirektnih" razloga zbog kojih sam postao slab na MSa.

Greatest Moments, i onda navode povlačenje iz F1...

Horner je komentirao da Honda izgubi otprilike ne vise od desetinke kad im je motor nov i kad odvozi već par utrka,sto je jako impresivno ako je istina,a i prosle su godine radili na novim materijalima u cilindrima s Kumamoto oplatama!

https://honda.racing/f1/post/behind-the ... power-unit

Red Bullovo objašnjenje za prednost Mercedesa.
https://twitter.com/Vetteleclerc/status/1460012264178831364

odavno nisam pisao o rb-ovom stražnjem krilu, pa evo jedna jedna glasina s honda foruma:
'''RB will have a new rear Wing at next race that does the same thing the MB wing does.''

zekohonda je napisao/la: 25.11.2021., 09:43 odavno nisam pisao o rb-ovom stražnjem krilu, pa evo jedna jedna glasina s honda foruma:
'''RB will have a new rear Wing at next race that does the same thing the MB wing does.''

Samo mora izdržati nove testove. A kakvo im je bilo dosadašnje tko zna kako će proći. Upstalom već su imali takvo, čak i bolje nego mercedes.

zekohonda je napisao/la: 25.11.2021., 09:43 odavno nisam pisao o rb-ovom stražnjem krilu, pa evo jedna jedna glasina s honda foruma:
'''RB will have a new rear Wing at next race that does the same thing the MB wing does.''

Znači RB će staviti nelegalno krilo na svoj bolid ?

Ako Mercedesovo prolazi kao legalno...

@Dani

Pastor je napisao/la: 25.11.2021., 13:03 Ako Mercedesovo prolazi kao legalno...

@Dani

Objasni. Inače samo trolaš.

Ko mi kaže...

Realno nitko od vas ne može ništa objasniti jer nema dokaza. Har Ki i Dani ne mogu kazati da je Mercedes targetiran za onu podnicu kao što nitko drugi to ne može opovrgnuti. Isto i za ovo krilo. Horner malo previše kenja.

Ono što znamo je da je Pirelli to tražio zbog guma. To znamo kao fakt i mislim da bi se toga trebalo držati.

s f1techa:
AMUS


Red Bull continues to expand its engine department. So far, 170 employees have already been taken on board. RB Powertrains is set up in such a way that there is a choice: Either do everything themselves or in partnership with a manufacturer.
Porsche could come. Red Bull has set up its engine department in such a way that it is open to all options. "We can do everything ourselves or partner with a manufacturer," explains team boss Christian Horner. Red Bull has selected its staff in such a way that the combustion engine will definitely be created in Milton Keynes. But expertise in the field of the turbocharger and the battery would be welcome. This could be Porsche's territory.
It will be a few years before that happens. Red Bull has until 2026 to get its own powertrain up and running. Things are supposed to get underway from mid-2022. By then, the new drive regulations will be finalised in detail, so that the development of the engine, MGU-K, battery and power electronics can begin. By then, most of the work bans on the future Red Bull engineers will have expired.
Red Bull is fighting to be classified as a newcomer in the new engine era, which means a higher cost cap and more test bench hours. If it comes to a joint venture with Porsche, this could cause trouble. Mercedes, Ferrari and Renault have already announced that they would not accept two players developing in parallel for a while and then throwing their results together. That would have put the brakes on cost and test-bench limits.
Currently, 170 employees have already been recruited for the new company. 45 of them come from the Mercedes engine forge HPP. From Red Bull's point of view, this has the nice side effect of weakening its World Championship opponent. The majority of the staff will be occupied with the development and construction of the new drive unit. They don't have to take care of the day-to-day business yet. That will be done by Honda on behalf of the team.

Red Bull has not bought the intellectual property of the Japanese, but has acquired the right to use it. This is also because part of the IP also contains the development of Honda partner Ilmor. And that was not for sale. Since the rights remain with Honda, it is also up to the Japanese to assemble and maintain the product on behalf of others.
Whether this will continue until 2025 has not yet been decided. The contracts with Honda are reviewed year by year. Since the engines continue to be built in Honda's Sakura development centre, it is somewhat difficult to look over one's shoulder. Honda may be out of Formula 1, but they also have an interest in making sure their legacy works reliably. Especially in the first year with the new E10 fuel.
Experts already have the impression that Honda secretly regrets the exit and is keeping up the umbilical cord to Formula 1 by servicing Red Bull. The way the new engine regulations are shaping up, it would also be interesting for Honda. And with a budget cap and test bed restrictions, it is also ensured that Formula 1 will no longer be a money-destroying machine

Jos me samo čudi kako se Honda nije popišala sama po sebi i rekla 'Vraćamo se' (dobro nisu jos no otisli, ali...) Nakon ovakve sezone, reklame, napetosti... Ne znam kakva situacija ih sprječava da nastave rad s RB-om.

Bili su mi najdraži proizvođač sve do onog "zemaljskog" green earth bolida i kasnije odlaska. Totalno neprofesionalno. Jako podsjećaju na bmw.

jedva yamomoto san priveo razgovor kraju.
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nije nam zadnja utrka, sve dok se koriste ove pu! nadam se kakvoj honda oznaci na bolidu, makar sponzorskoj.
https://honda.racing/f1/post/max-versta ... with-honda

wazari san za kraj:
18 Dec 2021, 07:52

A beautiful Saturday afternoon. I want to say thank you to those who offered words of kindness during some difficult times and also words of encouragement as we continued our F1 journey. Whether Max or Lewis had won the WDC this year, I am very proud of what Honda and our “skunkworks” team has accomplished over the past seven years. I knew this day would come when we started this latest F1 project as it was estimated to be no more than an 8 to 10 year project.

I am really ready to retire now as well everyone on our unofficial team. I lost a dear friend of mine last year whose idea it was to form this team and help HRD with the F1 program after the terrible start in 2015. I am grateful to Toro Rosso, Red Bull and McLaren for allowing Honda to put their PU behind their drivers. It was my friend who convinced me to “get my head out of the clouds and put it to good use” and join this team. He had been with Honda since 1973 and was my mentor when I first joined Honda about forty years ago. I will never forget when we walked into HRD in Sakura the first day this last go-around and realized that we were on average over 30 years older than the rest of the engineers and staff there. I have seen “Old guys rule” T-shirts and bumper stickers in the U.S. and I think I know what I will buy my fellow team members for Christmas.

There were many internal obstacles and external influences that had to be overcome to get the 621 PU built the way we wanted it and to get it on the track this season knowing that this would be Honda’s last official year in F1. Fortunately we had some key proponents and an open-minded president willing to take on one on one meetings with people like myself to hear our side of the story. There were some key people against some or all of our ideas. The camshaft relocation and piston redesign were big changes that met opposition. Other challenges were changing the firing order to try and minimize exhaust pulses going into the turbine and convincing some people to get the Honda/GE jet engine people involved in development of the turbo. I think I have mentioned it here also that the blade/vane design of the turbine and compressor in the turbo are more important than the physical size itself. Luckily an old college mate of mine at Nagoya University was a key contributor to the “Kumamoto plating” process that was implemented to increase reliability of the cylinders and rings. This process is not a secret as some seem to think as it is patented and well published but it was his suggestion to use it on the F1 PU. Lastly redesigning the block so that the cylinder #1 is on the right hand side was also met with opposition because “You know, the #1 cylinder should be on the left hand side”….So needless to say, it has been quite the journey. We knew Mercedes was the bar. They build wonderful, beautiful pieces of machinery. The W12 is an excellent car. The 16B was also a big improvement over last year’s car but we knew we had to at least match the Mercedes PU with regards to power and reliability to give the 16B a fighting chance to compete and I think we accomplished that this year. Red Bull never gave up as they constantly brought upgrades this season. Not all of them worked as planned but they never quit nor did we. Also a big thanks to Mobil. The fuel and lubricants they developed for us was a significant factor to our progress.

One thing I want to mention is that sometimes we take for granted what is around us for inspiration. Since I grew up near Mishima city in Shizuoka-ken, my family would take many day trips to Hakone and since I was a baby, I must have seen Mt. Fuji from Hakone literally thousands and thousands of times. The view from Hakone and Lake Kawaguchi are my favorite. I could stare at Fuji-san and never get tired of her profile. Fuji-san was the inspiration for the piston crown. The slope, the crater, etc. nature’s gift to machinery. Funny and mysterious the way things work.

Next year Red Bull will be fine. I have spent a lot of time in Milton Keynes the first half of this year and the investment Red Bull has put into their PU division is impressive. The facility they built is first class and they have hired key Honda staff for this transition. Although Honda’s name will not be on the PU, it is a Honda. It will still be manufactured and assembled by Honda for at least another year. So I am not worried about next year. Again thank you again for all your support and congratulations to everyone at Red Bull and Max for the fine job. I would like people to remember that the WCC and WDC are not determined by one race but an accumulation of points won over 22 races determines the winner. In my opinion both Red Bull and Mercedes were both lucky and unlucky throughout the season. I will not miss the ugly politics of F1 and a big part of me is relieved that I am no longer at part of this circus. I wish everyone a Happy Holidays and Happy New Year. Be safe and good to yourself and fellow human.

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