Mr.Spaceguy je napisao/la: 19.10.2017., 21:18 @zekohonda Procitao sam negdje da su Hondine starjesine ljute na Hasegawu jer je McL raskinuo ugovor. Bili su u Suzuki a nisu ga ni posjetili. Jos je i Hasegawa rekao da bi se Honda i McL mogli vratiti jedno drugom u buducnosti. Steta Hasegawa je bio covjek na mjestu.

O uvom sportu si najlosiji ako si "na mjestu".

"Fernando's engine has enough mileage to get to the end of the season so we have no plan to introduce it [spec 3.8]"

Ne bi se reklo jbga

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Ozbiljan intevju s ozbiljnim čovjekom. Sve google translate ali jasno je šta je pisac htio reči.


Ovaj dio naglašava totalni fail od strane Honde (manjak stručnog osoblja i podcjenjivanje zahtjevnosti razvoja PUa za F1).

Starting with how he has gone from chaos to a structure that is designed to be competitive in the short term. "In 2015 and 2016, Honda did not have a clear concept of the engine," says Tetsuo. "It was a lack of absolute understanding about F1, they were told to work with McLaren and them, 'well, for that reason.'" Then they took people from the factory who did not work in F1, but in business and mechanics. They said: You go to F1 now, okay? And they all nodded, because as they had the technology, they thought that with that they were going to throw away. " In the third year, they have returned to the starting square, but maybe this time to move forward.



A ovaj dio je je jednako vako važan u konekstu cijele priče, zapravo prije nego pročitate taj dio ispod teksta je jedan user napisao ovaj komentar:
"They face English pride and despotism against Japanese patience and tranquility."
Ja bi na to dodao i Alonsov težak karakter, ali baš ga je lik pogodio u sridu s tim komentarom. Taj brak nikad nije mogao uspjet.


"How many times have you heard Honda say something against McLaren and Alonso? Not one, not one!" , asks Tetsuo, raising the tone. In light of the engine crisis, understandable. But not everything was there. "McLaren has had a lot of problems in the gearbox, and that's also the engine, or what's wrong, is it Honda's fault, and some bad McLaren pit stops, or when there was a water leak, they always accused Honda without knowing 100% that it was theirs, when there was an electrical problem, they also blamed Honda, but then it turned out that their connector had gone out ... What, also Honda's problem, right? "
"We knew all this but we never said it, and neither did Honda," Tetsuo confesses, "and although they are not so far from Renault being their 'first year', they will not say anything either." Alonso always says that the chassis is terrific and the very bad engine, but look at Spa and Monza , two circuits with straight lines, Red Bull has a very flat rear wing, like a bread, it does not generate any resistance to air , and what about the giant rear wing of McLaren? The car will be as good as you want, yes, because it generates a lot of downforce, but with that wing ... The engine would not be perfect, but are you looking for power with that? good, but there is a lot of hidden issue in this matter ... "

A lot of hidden issues indeed ja bi reko. Jedva čekam sljedeću sezonu!

Ja sam mišljenja da će se McLaren slijedeće sezone boriti tu sa Renaultom za 5. ili 4. poziciju u konstruktorima...imam osjećaj da je zbog Hondinog motora McLaren mogao raditi "čuda" sa šasijom, zbog nižeg težišta Hondinog PU.

Ne smijemo zaboraviti i što je Franz Tost rekao kada je vidio nacrte Hondinog motora...ostao je u čudu i odmah je rekao nešto u stilu "a zato je McLaren imao dobru šasiju".

A to da se McLaren nije UOPĆE trudio oko low downforce krila i općenito da uopće nisu prilagođavali bolid manjku snage to nije nepoznato...čak je i Mercedes u Monzi donio low downforce stražnje krilo koje je na oko tanje od onoga u McLarenu, a RBR je doslovno donio jednu ploču i tjt.

@ferrari
može link za ove tostove riječi? to mi je promaklo.

malo o mcl renault suradnji za dogodine:
http://www.paddocktalk.com/news/html/story-317819.html

zekohonda je napisao/la: 09.11.2017., 18:50 @ferrari
može link za ove tostove riječi? to mi je promaklo.

Uhh...daj mi vremena da pronađem. Čim nađem pošaljem ti.

@Zeko
Nije bio Tost već neki inženjer iz TR-a (žuti okvir)

Zahvaljujem.

O ovom smo pricali jos u 45 odjeljku ili broju ove teme

Nekoliko puta sam pisao (ponavljam se na zalost), ljubav izmedju McL-a i Honde je bila na vrat na nos.

Honda je prerano usla u F1, a McL je prekasno najurio Dennisa!

McLaren has made giant steps on the chassis and chassis in recent races. Experts in the paddock believe, for the same reasons as Red Bull. McLaren is apparently able to lower his car on the straight back.

Thus, the top speed shortcoming is not so great despite the strong employment of the vehicle. Honda has also caught up in modest steps. As long as the engine does not need the support of the MGU-H, the McLaren keep up with the competition.

On the first third of the straight. Nevertheless, Alonso demands: "We also have to refill the chassis to get to the level of the top teams. On the positive side, every development step in the right direction went from the race in Hungary. "

Dobre vijesti.

precijenio sam browna.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... wn-989635/

zekohonda je napisao/la: 19.12.2017., 12:34 precijenio sam browna.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... wn-989635/

U biti nije našao sponzora, ako ne računamo tipa ponudu pago soka od cca 500000 eura. Žalosno je na što je McLaren spao. Stvarno su spali na margine F1. Ron Dennis kakav god da je bio, ali bio je autoritet. Momčad je izgledala snažnije uz njega tj. imao si osjećaj da ta momčad ima neki utjecaj u F1. Trenutno su mi neki labavi ko i Williams po pitanju vodstva.

Kad god vidim onu popularnu sliku Alonsa I Hamiltona, uvijek mi bodu oci njihovi kombinezoni kad je se trazilo mjesto extra za sponzora.
Nisam optimista SA prelaskom na Renault.
Bar ne u skoro vrijeme.

Gore od ovoga ne mogu, ali isto tako smatram da Renault igra vrlo proračunato. Jednom i kad stignu na vrh, McLaren će dobiti šipak. Red Bull se sprema kantica za godinu dana.... mislim.

Nadam se da u tajnosti razvijaju svoj motor..a u naslovu mislim da bi trebali promjeniti onaj naziv Mclaren Honda..

Analiza Hondinog PU-a na kraju sezone i usporedbe sa prijašnjim sezonama. Hondini inženjeri govore.
https://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewt ... 51#p733151

·Because its a racing engine,so the weight and centre of gravity is very important.The RA617H is good in this area.As the reliability improves during the season,the weight increased too.From this point,The RA616H is too heavy and didnt meet ours target .

·The compressor and turbine was in the V bank in RA616H,but the RA617H put the compressor and turbine out of the V,and only MGU-H in the V bank.We can make the compressor bigger and it give us more freedom to design the intake system.With both compressor,turbine and MGU-H in the V bank in RA616H,its hard to place the VIS.But only MGU-H in the V bank in the RA617H,so we can make it simple.The intake system was what it should be in 2017.

·But to get the compressor and turbine out of the V,we found some new problems.To avoid the contact with compressor,we had to design a complex shape for the oil tank.The design it not good enough,the oil will go into the intake.And finally leads to the MGU-H issues.The shape of oil tank and compressor caused the MGU-H issues.

·The RA617H has the Jet Ignition technology as the other three manufacturer.The compression ratio of RA617H incresed 2 higher than RA615H,and 1 higher than RA616H.Its also the reason why we put the compressor out of the V and make it bigger.But how can we keep the A/F in the pre-chamber and still have higher homozygosity(i dont know much about technology things so i dont know how to translate the word 均質性,) in the main combustion chamber. We tried many palces to put injectors in,but we think the layout now is the best.

·The RA617H has less power than RA616H final SPEC at the start of the season,before we introdued the first upgrade.So its a minus start for sure,but the final SPEC has much more power than RA616H. I think we finally started to understand the Jet Ignition technology and we will do more things in the area from now.

·As the rules set the MGU-K can only send 2MJ to ES and the MGU-K can release 4MJ as most in a lap.But there is no limitation for the MGU-H.So we tried extraharvest technology.First,we harvest more energy from the MGU-K,more than 2MJ,then we send 2MJ to the ES from the MGU-K,the rest of the energy will be sent to the ES thourgh MGU-H.As we had many reliability issues with MGU-H this season,so we didnt find good timing to introduce it.We finally tested it in the Belgium GP and we begin to introduce the technology from Monza.

Prvo i osnovno molio bih da se promjeni ime ove teme , ili treba novu otvarati pod drugim imenom ?

Drugo , koliko je bili price oko McLarenovih sponzora , da im neide oko toga itd. Sad su u medusezoni potpisali par komada na vise vise godina , tako da ni to nebi trebao sad bit "problem"

AlkY je napisao/la: 01.02.2018., 17:00 Prvo i osnovno molio bih da se promjeni ime ove teme , ili treba novu otvarati pod drugim imenom ?

Drugo , koliko je bili price oko McLarenovih sponzora , da im neide oko toga itd. Sad su u medusezoni potpisali par komada na vise vise godina , tako da ni to nebi trebao sad bit "problem"

I dalje nemaju glavnog velikog sponzora...
Nije problem potpisati ugovore od 500.000 eura...prava stvar je potpisati ugovor od 10-15 milja eura...

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