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Lady je napisao/la:ovo pitanje je u prvom redu za članove @f1zd, @senju i @MrDoomroom-a: Tko bi po vama u ovoj situaciji bio kriv da na mjesto Rosberga stavite Hamiltona, a na mjesto Lewisa Vettela?

Ajde, budite objektivni i odgovorite.......
Lady kolegice objektivnost i ovi nickovi koje si nabrojila su ne spojivi. Kao da usred Teherana nekoga pokusavas nagovoriti da proba malo svinjetine, nespojivo sestro.
Ali svaka ti cast za pokusaj, jer to je najmanje sta netko u dobroj namjeri moze uciniti. :thumbs:
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Ne treba biti objektivan.
Lomi te, al se nedaš
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dakako je napisao/la:
Lady je napisao/la:ovo pitanje je u prvom redu za članove @f1zd, @senju i @MrDoomroom-a: Tko bi po vama u ovoj situaciji bio kriv da na mjesto Rosberga stavite Hamiltona, a na mjesto Lewisa Vettela?

Ajde, budite objektivni i odgovorite.......
Lady kolegice objektivnost i ovi nickovi koje si nabrojila su ne spojivi. Kao da usred Teherana nekoga pokusavas nagovoriti da proba malo svinjetine, nespojivo sestro.
Ali svaka ti cast za pokusaj, jer to je najmanje sta netko u dobroj namjeri moze uciniti. :thumbs:
Naravno da tebi nismo objektivni..Tebi su najveći primjer objektivnosti Croft i ekipa

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Svaki tvoj post o tebi govori daleko vise negoli bi ti htjeo. Cim prije si poletio meni replicirat, a na kolegicin post si zanjemio. :facepalm:
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senna66 je napisao/la:
Ciki-F1 je napisao/la: Trkači incident u najgorem slučaju. Samo smeta jako što se sada Rosberga razapinje na križ i kamenuje, dok Lujo radi istu stvar (izgurava konkurenta s staze) on je rejser, prvak.......
I to je to, sve si rekao kolega :D Makar sam siguran da ima jos puno koji tako misle. Ne kuzim zasto se jos uvijek toliko raspravlja o tome. Ocito previse Rosbergovih i Lujinih fanbojeva.
....ili trkaći incident u najboljem slučaju :mrgreen:
Sjetite se Bahraina 2015 kako je Rosberg prešao oba Ferrarija (tada je bio on taj koji napada) isto s unutarnje strane i išao je jako duboko isto kao i ovaj put (to mu je neka finta - kao....ali ekstremna) samo su tada oba Ferrarija bila razuma i prikočili. Mogao je i Hamilton ali .... e kad bi to Luji ponos dopustio. Bolje BUM pa APP.
Rosberg je odabrao tu putanju s namjerom da zatvori Hamiltona, to je i sam izjavio (smatra da ima pravo na to), nije ostavio puno mjesta Hamiltonu ali ga je ipak ostavio i ovaj je mogao proći ali znatno sporije, i svjesno (iliti namjerno je naglo skrenuo u Nicu).

I jedan i drugi su svojeglavo išli namjerno (to je po meni trkaći incident) tj. oba su KRIVA.
Ako mene pitate trka je zanimljivija (a i prvenstvo) kada se dva Merca sudare ionako su previše bobovno odmaglili.

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dakako je napisao/la:Svaki tvoj post o tebi govori daleko vise negoli bi ti htjeo. Cim prije si poletio meni replicirat, a na kolegicin post si zanjemio. :facepalm:
I o tebi, kaže se htioslika
Nisam odgovorio jer sam htio napisati točno ono što je kolega @Ciki-F1 napisao. Kad sam vidio da je on to napisao, mislio sam napisati "Točno tako", ali je to napisao kolega @senna66, tako da stvarno ne vidim poantu daljne rasprave o tome.

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Naporni ste brate mili...ako nekome nešto ili netko smeta postoji ignore opcija, lijepo je uključite i mirna bosna.
We fight together. We win together. We lose together. Forza Ferrari
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Ferrari je napisao/la:Naporni ste brate mili...ako nekome nešto ili netko smeta postoji ignore opcija, lijepo je uključite i mirna bosna.
Otkrij mi gdje je molim te, već par dana je tražim.
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f1zd je napisao/la:
dakako je napisao/la:Svaki tvoj post o tebi govori daleko vise negoli bi ti htjeo. Cim prije si poletio meni replicirat, a na kolegicin post si zanjemio. :facepalm:
I o tebi, kaže se htioslika
Nisam odgovorio jer sam htio napisati točno ono što je kolega @Ciki-F1 napisao. Kad sam vidio da je on to napisao, mislio sam napisati "Točno tako", ali je to napisao kolega @senna66, tako da stvarno ne vidim poantu daljne rasprave o tome.
Ma da u nedostatku argumenata gledaj moj pravopis. :facepalm:

Nisi odgovorio jer nemas sta,kao sto su nista odgovrili i tvoje kolege koje si naveo u postu. :bang:
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dakako je napisao/la:
f1zd je napisao/la:
dakako je napisao/la:Svaki tvoj post o tebi govori daleko vise negoli bi ti htjeo. Cim prije si poletio meni replicirat, a na kolegicin post si zanjemio. :facepalm:
I o tebi, kaže se htioslika
Nisam odgovorio jer sam htio napisati točno ono što je kolega @Ciki-F1 napisao. Kad sam vidio da je on to napisao, mislio sam napisati "Točno tako", ali je to napisao kolega @senna66, tako da stvarno ne vidim poantu daljne rasprave o tome.
Ma da u nedostatku argumenata gledaj moj pravopis. :facepalm:

Nisi odgovorio jer nemas sta,kao sto su nista odgovrili i tvoje kolege koje si naveo u postu. :bang:
Prvi si rekao da da moji komentari puno govore o meni, al dobro. Vidis da smo svima dosadili, kraj rasprave.

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GP AUSTRIA: the analysis of the Grand Prix

The Grand Prix of Austria competed on the track at the Red Bull Ring was definitely very exciting given that last lap was not yet clear who came in and who P1 in P3. Hamilton to win this race had to bring out the phenomenon that c 'it is in him unleashing a strong offense decided to team-mate on the final lap of the race; Rosberg rather than yield the position he wanted to pull a staccatona impossible where the contact between the two teammates was inevitable, Rosberg had the worst throwing away precious points in the optical world then getting to the finish line in fourth position. The operation of German driver Nico has cost 2 penalty points on your license and a 10-second penalty on the race time which do not have influenced the position after the race.

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Once again it was a race dominated by Team Mercedes which unfortunately for the fans especially Ferrari had no rivals on the track working very clearly for the race during all practice sessions. From the information gathered by FUnoAnalisiTecnica on Sunday morning, the problems encountered by the German team on Saturday were to be attributed to an aerodynamic and mechanical set-up is not particularly suited to hot environmental conditions present in the days of Friday and Saturday. It is to emphasize that the conditions on Sunday "fresh" (25 ° C in less than runway) were not a surprise, because local weather it already provided by several days. Mercedes , talking to some members of the team before the game, has never been very concerned from the blistering on the rear tires is that suffered particularly during the brief simulations of long runs on Saturday morning; German Team has therefore continued to follow his own path knowing that the main problem which the team would have to face on Sunday would have been graining the front tires . BLISTERING and graining , what are these two phenomena of which we often speak?

Starting from the blistering , it is the phenomenon that occurs when a particular rubber section near the carcass overheats abnormally causing of small air bubbles inside the tire which create in turn a gum detachment. These rubber detachments may have "different surfaces" depending on the thermal and mechanical stress level to which they are subject. The tire is going to create so real holes which are often very deep and come through to the carcass.

Graining however, is a fatigue phenomenon of tires which usually manifests itself when the track is dirty, or otherwise little gummed. The result of the graining is l ' abrasion of the tire surface with the presence of " tearing " due to big phenomena of fatigue rupture. One of the most common reasons for which it forms the graining on the front tires are the low temperatures, those of yesterday on the Red Bull Ring circuit.

Speaking of strategy, Mercedes as we had already said several times via Twitter (@SmilexTech and @Spontonc accounts where you can find useful information) had set the race to a stop for both drivers but there were two major incidents for which the Team German had to change strategies. Starting at the beginning of the race, Rosberg after just over ten laps he started to suffer a major cliff on his UltraSoft passing the finish line in the lap before the pit even at 1:13 when Hamilton spun still quietly in 1:11; from here the sudden change of strategy for the German driver. Second episode, critical to the change in strategy for the W07 Lewis Hamilton, was Vettel's accident ; thanks to the advantage gained by the German driver, Mercedes has thought it was pointless to risk not finish the race due to a problem with the tires and also drew the Englishman to the box. But what is still not very clear is why Mercedes has opted for a Soft USED when Hamilton had to travel only 16 laps and had on hand or a set of SuperSoft USED (compound mounted on Rosberg's car) or even a set of UltraSoft NEW . If we analyze the pace of Hamilton in the first stint we can see how much has been constant and despite many as 21 laps (the gum had 24 because it had been used in Q2) there has been no drop in performance demonstrating that the sample the world has managed to perfection the tires containing the best possible graining at the front. the pitch against Ferrari SF16-H at this early stage of the race was not devastating, even if we are honest the pace of Raikkonen and Vettel was quite in line with that of Mercedes. Being in traffic, Ferrari has lost a few tenths against Hamilton with Raikkonen at the pit stop accusing a gap of 4.2 seconds while Vettel was trailing by about 9 seconds. If we look at the graph you can see that the pace of Hamilton and the Ferrari duo in the first stint of the race was very similar so that going to average shows that the pace of Hamilton in the first stint was 1: 11.6 , Raikkonen 1: 11.7 with Vettel slightly slower 1: 11.9 due to overtaking the German pilot had to make in the early stages of the race.

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Hamilton and Raikkonen stopped respectively at around 23:24 while Vettel remained on track . In these circles the Sebastian pace was good and the tires seemed to accuse decay as had occurred about fifteen laps the Mercedes of Rosberg. As for the other Top Team of the beginning of the world, the RedBull , has decided to bring forward the stop for groped the undercut on the front riders . Smart move, and that is obviously successful considering delayed stops Raikkonen and Vettel. Al pit the tires of both pilots of the Austrian team were still in good condition with times in previous rounds that fact did not report an annoying performance detriment (1:11 , 6 for Ricciardo and 1: 11.3 Verstappen). the Ferrari did not want to cover the Austrian Team strategy thinking that the Red Bull duo were on a two stop strategy which unfortunately then was not correct; Verstappen arrived at the finish line with a single stop, and so could have also Ricciardo although in this case the team after the overtaking Raikkonen did not want to risk the fourth position by mounting a new set of tires on UltraSoft RB12 number 3. We get so the fateful lap 26 , one in which the back of Vettel right ceded in full straight sending wrong the good race of the German red pilot. Blast that does not seem to be related to a debris present on the track as collected in the last hour from FUnoAnalisiTecnica. By analyzing the timing of previous spins to "burst" it can be said with confidence that the tires still seemed performance and therefore it is conceivable that the outbreak was caused by external factors, however (curbs but also the aggressiveness of the SF16-H on the tires) and not wear anyway. what many does not understand are the reasons that led the Ferrari pit wall to go so long as Vettel had lost the position with both Red Bull and would have to rebuild another comeback to get on podium having little chance to fight for the race with the two Mercedes. There it can be explained by the fact that the team was looking for a Safety Car that would have greatly favored the German driver or at least a second stint as short of a tire that Ferrari had never used during the weekend and that of Raikkonen did not give the excellent performance. With the soft tires, Ferrari has not been shown to have the pace of the Mercedes and even Red Bull in the first part of the stint. The superiority of Mercedes with the soft compound has been in our "awkward" because they managed to open a gap to make a pit stop in more in just 22 laps (after the Vettel incident the safety car had bunched the group). Returning to talk about the challenge Red Bull - Ferrari, as can be seen from the chart below, Verstappen was consistently faster than Raikkonen until lap 57 . from lap 58 Raikkonen has finally begun to exploit its fresher tires than 7 laps Verstappen and began to mend the gap. Thanks to a good last part of the race, Raikkonen last lap could attack and overtake rather quietly Verstappen but had to give up because of the yellow flags that the commissioners have exhibited in curve 3 for the Hamilton-Rosberg contact in Turn 4 for the 'Perez output. They have however been the poor performance (even compared to RedBull) with yellow rubber not to allow Raikkonen to get through to the second position, rather than the strategy itself.

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Concluding its analysis of the race yesterday, Ferrari has lost yet another opportunity in this 2016 get ahead of Red Bull , a position that Raikkonen and his SF16-H deserved seen that the performance of the Italian car on this type of track did not appear inferior to those of the Milton Keynes team. Even in this Grand Prix the strategy was at least questionable (as always in retrospect) because sin (maybe) of presumption, as Ferrari believed they could fight for victory with Mercedes without worrying about the RedBull, they have thrown away a very interesting second positions for the Finn. Now the Circus of Formula 1 is already in the direction of Silverstone (high downforce circuit) , the track on which the red is suffering from several years also because of the compound always undigested Hard Pirelli from the latest cars designed by the Maranello team. Apparently Mercedes take on its W07 the last major evolutionary aero package but it is likely that Ferrari will not be watching. The Italian team has absolutely no hurry to win a race , that victory could remove a lot of pressure from the heads of the various components Team, Maurizio Arrivabene in the first place. But at Silverstone, track where the power of the power unit is not so crucial, Ferrari will have to keep an eye on the RedBull that the fast corners of the English track will definitely tell her.

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Bolje pet do dvanaest nego ni jednu poslje jedan. slika

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Ovo bukanje nikad nisam mogao shvatiti od 'samozvanih' ljubitelja nekog sporta.. za mene je to totalni debilizam, bez obzira zbog čega i zbog koga se buče. Jedan veleki dokaz ljudske gluposti koja očito nema granice, ništa više.

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Bolje pet do dvanaest nego ni jednu poslje jedan. slika

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hattrick je napisao/la:Ovo bukanje nikad nisam mogao shvatiti od 'samozvanih' ljubitelja nekog sporta.. za mene je to totalni debilizam, bez obzira zbog čega i zbog koga se buče. Jedan veleki dokaz ljudske gluposti koja očito nema granice, ništa više.

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U pravu si. Ja se bojim da bi se to moglo ponoviti i u Silverstoneu samo u obrnutom slučaju.
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ja mislim da neće bit nikakvog 'bukanja' u silvestoneu.
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zekohonda je napisao/la:ja mislim da neće bit nikakvog 'bukanja' u silvestoneu.
Neznam baš....nisam nešto siguran u to.
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Yeah, it's on purpose!

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zekohonda je napisao/la:ja mislim da neće bit nikakvog 'bukanja' u silvestoneu.
Što si ono govorio za 'booookanje' ? :mrgreen:
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bijah u krivu.
mada je bilo dosta manje nego u austriji. :mrgreen:
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:mrgreen: :thumbs: :pivo:
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