McLaren možda računa da bi se mogli provući sad već koji put u Q3, RB mi nije jasan...

SEAS je napisao/la:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mclar ... se-682248/

Krivi su McLaren i Red Bull

Nije sad da su krivi nego ak se gleda oni su opet htjeli neki hibridni sistem a ne vraćanje na staro. Kako se nije vratilo na staro ostali smo na ovom novom. Tako da ispravan postupak timova koji hoće stari koncept a jedino ovako mogu prisiliti fia-u da uvedu stari koncept.

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Nema povratka na staro.
https://twitter.com/andrewbensonf1/status/713102726033489920

Starkelja smatra da se može bez Monze, tj. i bez VN Italije
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... _F1_chief/

Eccelstone kaže da bi CVC mogao napokon prodati svojih 35% - daj Bože!
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/eccle ... 82550/?s=1

Nije mi uopće jasan za ovaj broj utrka. Prvo kaže da misli da nema potrebe za više utrka i da vjerojatno neće ni biti, a onda kaže da bi Vegas bio odličan izbor i da ima opciju za ugovor!?... I kaj je on sad tu rekao... Isto ko i ovo za Monzu - prvo kaže da ju ne želi, pa onda da će ipak vjerojatno biti utrka i sad opet trkelja da neće biti - pa jel on normalan Izgleda da je ozbiljno senilan već, ni sam više nema pojma o čemu priča.... o Bože pa tko vodi ovaj sport!?

Marko, sa ovim se moraš složiti
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/228791/1/k ... in-f1.html
A ovo je za
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... _contract/
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... a_in_2017/

Frantic je napisao/la:Marko, sa ovim se moraš složiti
http://www.crash.net/f1/news/228791/1/k ... in-f1.html
A ovo je za
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... _contract/
http://www.gptoday.com/full_story/view/ ... a_in_2017/

Uvijek i svugdje Moja draga Monisha <3

Trebalo bi nogirati i Bernija i CVC. I jedan i drugi samo gledaju profit a ne dobrobit sporta. Za njih je F1 koka koja nese zlatna jaja. 70 posto profita uzimaju za sebe, a ostalo djele na kapaljku i još na nepravedan način. Čista politika.
Ali kako?? I jedan i drugi su se uvukli i ne puštaju.

Kako objasniti to da Sauber, koji je integralni dio Formule 1 od 1993 i uvijek sa imenom "Sauber" u imenu tima, nemože dobiti history bonus, a tamo neki RedBull koji je u Formuli 1 samo od 2004 može???? A Sauberu sada treba ništa da ispadnu iz Formule 1 radi financijskih problema. A ove krpelji ne trzaju i nežele dati malo više love malim timovima.
Mercedes, koji je jedan od najuspješnijih timova u povijesti F1, kao konstruktor i kao motor supplier je isto tako imao problema za dobiti history bonus kada su kupili Brown.
A najfriškiji primjer je Renault koji se je trebao cjenkati sa Bernijem i da bi dobili bonus trebali su osigurati motore za RedBull. Ucjena!!!! A Renault je počeo učestvovati u Formuli 1 1975 kao konstruktor, a nastavio je tokom godina sa kratkim prekidima kao konstruktor ili engine supplier Nije ih bilo samo od 1986 pa do 1989. Ukupno su osvojili 11 prvenstava vozača kao konstruktori (2) i kao engine supplieri (9). Njihovi motori su imali preko 160 pobjeda. RedBull im nije ni do koljena sa svojom povješću. I opet Berni zajebava!!!!

Stvarno mi nije jasno kako to ljudi trpe!! Doduše ja bi i veliki dio krivice pripisao i tim malim timovima koji ne reagiraju. Potpišu šta im ovaj debil servira i to je to. Kada bi se svi mali privatni timovi udružili i rekli starome da da više love ili da napuštaju takmičenje, sigurno bi im dao lovu jer nemože F1 ostati samo na 4 velika tima.

ja sam davno reko: odjebat sve osim fiksne naknade i naknade za uspjeh.
i fiksnu za sve koju treba dosta povećat i to je to.
odjebat ferrari, historic, i onu koju dobija samo 5* momčadi što je ispregovaro svako za sebe - u toj je red bull, ne u historic.
možda je i renault sad tu, ili je u historic, treba pričekat podatke kad ova godina završi.

Ljudi.. pa gdje vi živite.. ja ću vam reći. Zajedno samnom u svjetu reklamnih panoa. Nemojte to zaboraviti kao kontekst, inače nepričamo o današnjem sportu ili ti "sportu".

Meni se čini da samo Ferrari ima tu povijesnu klauzulu u konkord ugovoru, ostalih par najjačih momčadi (čini mi se McL, Mercedes i RB) imaju klauzulu timova koji ne smiju izaći iz F1 do kraja konkorda inače plaćaju ogromne penale, to se naravno tiče i samog Ferrarija s tim da taj jedan tîm svojim bi odlaskom napravio najveću štetu vlasnicima (od tud taj "povjesni" dio). To CVC-u sa njihovim načelnim pregovaračem Bernijem (koji čine samo garnituru koja je zadužena za sponzorska prava i prava prikazivanja dok su većinski valsnici su drugi manje poznati moćnici) garantira da će u narednom periodu dok traje trenutni konkord bez obzira na stanje održati se sa natjecanjem tih 4 timova i samim time financijsku sigurnost svih ostalih objekata koji čine financijsku konstrukciju. Zbog toga što ti timovi pristaju na tu vrstu obaveze dobivaju ekstra bonuse... i to je ispregovarano ovisno o jačini pregovarača. Mislim da je jednom prilikom netko pitao te manje timove što misle o toj raspodjeli svote.. i na to nisu imali ništa za reći, jer se nisu htjeli obvezati ostankom u F1 tokom cijelog perioda tekućeg konkorda. No bili su protiv toga da se njima daje manje love..

jbga.. kužim tu problematiku, no na kraju krajeva, htjeli mi to sebi priznati, kao i ti manji timovi tipa Saubera, to je manje sport, a više disciplina tehnoloških postignuća i biznisa u vidu osobnih koristi u marketingu, posebice proizvođača automobila. Sve se vrti oko brendiranja konkurentskih firmi.. u bliku šoa za raju. Da nije tako vjerovatno bi isti ti timovi koji drže F1 napravili svoj šou koji bi bio opet isti 'Bernijevom', i manje stranke bi opet bile piip. To se nikad neće promjeniti. samo je bitan balans održivosti za sve stranke, jedan period tebi, jedan meni.. i tako redom. Tko popuši, popušio je.. sljedeći. itd.

Nemojte me krivo shvatit.. da ne volim ne bi pratio. Da bi netko mogao bilje napravit, sigurno bi mogao, no najgore što mogu sam sebi zadat problem, da si i to malo zadovoljstva pokvari negativnim sagledavanjem koje se ionako nudi na svakom koraku.

Kad malo dublje zagrebete u tu politiku, vidite i sami da su tu sudionici koji su totalno u ratu.. ponajprije timovi i brendovi (često jedno te isto) koji se drže za taj sport. Tako da sigurno ne bi bio u koži onoga koji pokušava održati ravnotežu između njih koji su od krucijalne važnosti i nas fanova za koji se ti isti brendovi i promotori grebu. ..i treće možda njima 'najmanje' bitne stranke, vozača, koji čine tu sportsku notu.

Za sada je to bio Berni, uz dobar balans od strane Mosleya.. i onda je došao Todt koji ima tendenciju fifinog Blatera da od sebe napravi 'sveca'.. i tu je u biti nastao glavni problem. Ma ima tu još toga.. no nekom drugom prilikom. Desio se tu splat svakakvih nespretnih okolnosti.. ali ništa što sama F1 neće preživiti.

Slažem se s tobom, treba duže pratiti da se skuži tko sve profitira i gubi na svakom GP-u, ovisno o rezultatu..

Isto tako, promjene mišljenja tih glavešina nisu bez veze, njihova mišljenja velikim dijelom variraju kako variraju pojedini indexi na svjetskim burzama - tj kako si rekao - biznis prvo.

što se tiče SF i tog historic ili nekog drugog dijela, ne kažem da to nije tako, znam da jest, no nekad davno bila je neka priča da je ishodište svega bilo Mosleyevo i Ecclestoneovo "mafijaško" preuzimanje F1 i FIA-e, od stare "mafije", i da je stari tu (koji je dobro znao što je i kako radi mafija), vidio da ne može s njima u kolo otočko, te da je to bio neki ultimatum da bi osigurao neku nezavisnost i budućnost SF-a u F1, kažem, nekada jako davno se to među starijima tako pričalo, no bilo je x^n manje informacija, pa je pitanje koliko je tu istine, no vjerujem da je imala tadašnja politika utjecaja svakako u toj "raspodjeli" dobara..

Renault je za ukidanje limita od 100kg goriva
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123480

hattrick je napisao/la:Ljudi.. pa gdje vi živite.. ja ću vam reći. Zajedno samnom u svjetu reklamnih panoa. Nemojte to zaboraviti kao kontekst, inače nepričamo o današnjem sportu ili ti "sportu".

Meni se čini da samo Ferrari ima tu povijesnu klauzulu u konkord ugovoru, ostalih par najjačih momčadi (čini mi se McL, Mercedes i RB) imaju klauzulu timova koji ne smiju izaći iz F1 do kraja konkorda inače plaćaju ogromne penale, to se naravno tiče i samog Ferrarija s tim da taj jedan tîm svojim bi odlaskom napravio najveću štetu vlasnicima (od tud taj "povjesni" dio). T

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Ima više timova koji imaju tu "historijsku klauzulu". Mislim da su tu Ferrari, McLaren, Mercedes, Williams i RedBull.
Ovdje ti je članak o borbi Renola za dobivanje tog bonusa koji se još zove i "Constructors Championship Bonus - CCB bonus"... http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2015/09/r ... pionships/

Kako možeš vidjeti iz tog članka, Ferrari dobiva oko 100 M $, a RedBull oko 70 M$.

Evo odakle dolazi lova u F1 i otprilike koliko

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A evo i ostatka, ali mi se neda prevoditi:

As you can see, race hosting fees are the major revenue generator. Given that their is only a limited amount of GP's that can be run in a given year, this has made it quite the commodity specially amongst countries that want to advertise their economic advancements and sell themselves as part of the 1st world. Not only have the fees increased about a 60 percent in the past five years, most contracts also include up to a 10% annual hike in the fee. No wonder circuits in countries that don't have a strong motorsport heritage tend to cry foul every year, specially when local or national governments withdraw their support or tax excemption expire. Please take in mind that the sponsorship money listed above also includes circuit/championship sponsorship (those Johnnie Walker, Santander, ING, DHL, Rolex signs). So actually circuits don't see that ad money in their balances, its the Rights holders that rake it in. But circuit mismanagement or mistreatment is not the point of this article. So back to the teams.

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Although F1 gets a 63% share of the profits, 47.5% comes before income taxes, depreciation and amortization (EBITDA). That means Prize money comes in close at a whopping U$ 800 million dollars. Yet here is where it gets a bit tricky.

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Red Bull, McLaren, Ferrari pull an additional U$ 100 m or 7.5% (whichever is greater) since they where the last constructors to win the title in the previous years before the new agreement was signed.This is called the Constructors Championship Bonus (CCB). In case you are wondering the CCB is split 37/33/30 respectively. I'm sure here many will whine about Ferrari, since it gets and additional 5% or 62.2 million dollars whichever is greater of the Prize money because they are the longest running team. Fair or not, whichever you believe it means the Italian squad racks in U$ 123 m before even taking into account current championship performance. No wonder the smaller teams are fuming about cost reduction.

Now, lets see how the actual prize money is distributed. Fist of all this is split half ways, into what I'll call Tier 1 and Tier 2 money. Tier 1 is distributed equally among the top ten teams and given the above numbers, would award each team U$ 40.8m. In order to belong to Tier 1, you must have placed 10th or higher in two of the last three championships. Tier 2 teams on the other hand are the Top 10 teams of the season. These winnings are spread percentage wise as the chart below shows.

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There is a "consolation" prize for teams that finish outside of the top. As listed below

Surprise, I'm actually a Ferrari fan so I'll use the Maranello team as an example. Given the above figures, if Ferrari where to become champions lets say, in 2015 (bet your local bookie would laugh at you right now) the team would be making U$ 240 m on championship winnings. Given that their annual budget is estimated to be U$ 300 m the team would be on the red for U$ 60 m. But hey, this is not taking into account team sponsorship deals. Remember Marlboro? Well it was said they alone pay Ferrari (deal runs out in 2015) about U$ 160m a season.

The F1 Manifesto

It's no wonder Ferrari and Red Bull are so blatantly against the cost cap, given that they are the highest payed teams before prize winnings.

I'm sure someone will denounce me as a communist after this, but I think the Tier prize money should be decreased to 40% of EBITDA and be equally divided amongst all teams. Then the CCB would be increased by 7.5% which is what we took from the Tier 1 money and be handed to the top 3 teams respectively in the last 4 or 5 seasons. If we face a full grid which is supposedly caped at 13 teams that would still give everyone a 50% bump in earnings for participating.

Obviously that isn't the only change I'd make. You'd have to add in a cost cap somewhere near of U$ 200 m mark, but also free up regulations. This would have added benefit of lowering the cost of part development for teams. Given the tight restrictions you just have to funnel to much money into lets say a front wing to gain half a tenth or maybe a tenth of a second. This could also attract a new wave of Adrian Newey's to the sport, and help the running order of a season change more quickly, thus making it more exiting for the viewer.

Now, you may argue that Ferrari receives that additional 5% of money, but with the cost cap in place, basically it would mean that in a championship winning year, they would most likely be racing for free. And that should be the direction where the sport is headed, profit.

Spending first, politics, second, winning third...

And the main motivation to all of us is to compete for victory, it's not to come 3rd, 4th, 5th or 6th. I race to win as long as I feel it's possible. Sometimes you get it wrong? Sure, it's impossible to get it right all the time. But I race designed to win, as long as I feel I'm doing it right.
I quote Ayrton Senna because at times it seems like the sport is slowly losing it's long term battle. Don't get me wrong, we've had some great past season filled with beautiful racing (although at times marred by DRS zones) but the general perception of the sport has become that the more you spend the more you win, yet there is only one winner. And that is why we need a cost cap. Sure the big teams can afford to spend upward of the U$ 300m mark, but in a time where sponsorship money is becoming more and more scarce, the sport needs to start reigning in on itself. Sure Ferrari can spend this much because it is their biggest marketing platfrom. You buy Ferrari's due to their heritage (aside from the fact that you are probably stinking wealthy). But what about the truly big manufactures? We've seen bigger manufacturers than Ferrari leave the sport because at some point the spending race surpasses the benefits of development and marketing a brand can get from a single channel.

It's no wonder Ayrton always expressed his love for karting, the lowest from of motor racing. Why, because it was all driver, machine second. Now-a-days we hear to much money talk. I'm not advocating for a series were there is one engine/chassis. I like F1 with its independent teams. I'd also love to see more manufacturers like Toyota, Volkswagen AG (under any of its brands), BMW, Ford (under HAAS) or any other to return to the sport. But it is the current F1 business model that drove them out. And that is why it is also important to protect the midfield and smaller teams. Their success on track will only attract more investment in the sport. Why? Because manufacturers as well as technology firms will see the positive impact they can have on the field, ultimately maximizing their return on investment.

Članak sa http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-money ... 1654252443

Još jedan zanimljiv članak kako F1 proizvodi lovu. Članak je sa "Forbes" online, a oni se kuže u lovu i kako se kreće. Da bi pristupili članku morate iskopčati "AdBloker" na browswru, ako se služite njime.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2014/ ... ab513d10e5

http://www.speedcafe.com/2016/03/31/mod ... -launched/

Neznam el ovo za tehnikalije ili za vijesti, ali najbolje bi bilo da pročita neko iz FIA-e da vide što se može napraviti s 1000 dijelom sredstava koje troše top ekipe.

Opet će se sastančit oko kvalifikacija
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/teams ... ng-683296/
Malo reakcija i od vozača
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f1-ca ... el-683260/
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/butto ... f1-683318/

Po jednom Australskom tisku prelazak Alonsa u Renault je praktički već gotova stvar... Ugovor će biti 2 godine + 1 kao opcija

http://www.theroar.com.au/2016/04/01/al ... ault-2017/

Druga zanimljiva vijest je da je Ecclestone zajedno za ljudima iz FOM-a odlučio zaokrenuti ovaj sport, te ga je spreman učinit boljim i zanimljivijim za fanovima tako sto će poslusat svaki savjet koji mu se nudi...

http://wtf1.co.uk/f1-is-saved-hurray/

“I’m just so bloody rich already and I thought to myself, maybe I’m too rich,” the 85-year-old revealed in a video on YouTube before FOM took it down for copyright infringement. “Perhaps at my age it’s time to stop thinking about money, and make the sport that made me so rich better for everyone.”
During the controversial video Ecclestone admitted he’d fund classic circuits like Monza himself as it was basically “pocket change” for him.

Odmah nakon sastanka komentar je dao i C.Horner na svome Twitter accountu

“I’m glad we’ve finally got together and sorted all this out #TimeForChange,” Christian Horner tweeted on his account before it was removed by FOM for having the word F1 in the username.

@ferrari
baci pogled na kalendar.

zekohonda je napisao/la:@ferrari
baci pogled na kalendar.

Ma sve je to aprilililili