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Bolje da pukne sada nego u Melburne :chill:
Ma i ne očekujem da će uspjeti riješiti prije 2.spec. Vjerovatno će voziti modifikovane motore do prvog update.
Mada Mercedesova kilometraža prije kvara, nije bila mala.
Zato sve ekipe sa Mercedesovim motorom voze žestoko da se vidi kolika je pouzdanost.
Vidjet ćemo kako će proći druga runda.

@Zelot, ne mogu to raditi (bar ne legalno). DAS je legalan samo iz razloga što je upravljačem dozvoljeno okretati prednje kotače.

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zelot je napisao/la: 22.02.2020., 20:01 Pitanje je upravlja li mercedes i straznjim gumama kada gura i povlaci volan. To bi tek bio vrh slika

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Postoji sumnja (koliko se sjećam) još od lani da imaju implementirano zakretanje stražnjih kotača u zavoju, nešto slično kao Renault u cestovnim vozilima, osim šta je to riješeno pomoću mehanike kod njih

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renato2107 je napisao/la: 23.02.2020., 11:41
zelot je napisao/la: 22.02.2020., 20:01 Pitanje je upravlja li mercedes i straznjim gumama kada gura i povlaci volan. To bi tek bio vrh slika

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Postoji sumnja (koliko se sjećam) još od lani da imaju implementirano zakretanje stražnjih kotača u zavoju, nešto slično kao Renault u cestovnim vozilima, osim šta je to riješeno pomoću mehanike kod njih
To je zabranjeno.
Doduše, ipak je Mercedes u pitanju.... :chill:
Yeah, it's on purpose!

Jedan je Leclerc!! :gandalf:
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James Allison objašnjava W11.
Kad god čujem ovog pametnog inženjera, osjetim kako strastveno govori o F1 bolidu.
Neprocjenjiv dobitak za #MercedesAMGF1

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Nema šta, djeluju samouvjereni u Mercedesu kao nikad prije. Mogla bi ovo biti najuspješnija sezona za njih, a dosadna za sve ostale, ako neko nema ozbiljnog asa u rukavu. Ali ne mogu ni zamisliti da ih neko prestigne, možda jedino opet neko zadovoljavanje da su u desetinki, dvije s njima, pa da će pojedine staze Mercedesu manje odgovarat.

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I dalje mi nije jasno zasto ga je Ferrari sutnuo.. Nije da je Binotto bio los na njegovom mjestu ali opet.. Allison je top, takvim ljudima jednostavno das sve sto traze...
Fino Alla Fine

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CrashOverride je napisao/la: 24.02.2020., 07:48 I dalje mi nije jasno zasto ga je Ferrari sutnuo.. Nije da je Binotto bio los na njegovom mjestu ali opet.. Allison je top, takvim ljudima jednostavno das sve sto traze...
Oficijalno preminula mu supruga, i tražio je posao bliže njegovoj deci.....

Iza kulisa ko zna šta je bilo.....

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Da, takvog se ne pušta samo tako, a pogotovo ne aktualnim prvacima

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@gjoko-mkd
Yeap.. Jasno mi sve sta je bilo.. Gubitak je velik ali mi nekako po svemu sto sam procito kasnije, rastanak nije bio bas tako obostran kako je receno od strane Ferrarija..
No, sad je gotovo.. Sta je, tu je..
Fino Alla Fine

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Ono sta je zanimljivo je da je bottas na prvom testiranju odvezao vrijeme koje bi bilo za P2 i kvalifikacijama prosle godine.
HAM-1:16.040 q3 2019
BOT-1:15.406 q3 2019
BOT-1:15.732 Test 1

Znaci da ove godine idu ispod 1:14.

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Nebi me iznenadio toliki napredak. Sve što su izgubili onom promjenom pravila za 2019. već su lani nadoknadili, a još su i gume bile konzervativnije nego u 2018. Logično je da će ove godine još više napredovati. A izgleda da ona promjena pravila nije ni na šta utjecala, jer već su ove godine opet bolidi teži za praćenje, kako nalaze nove načine za povećavanje downforcea. Max je čini mi se izjavio na testiranju prošle sedmice, da je praćenje bolida postalo dosta teže...

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Pa to je logično. Dok god ima stotine sitnih zakrilaca pomaka nema. Mora biti npr. krilo naprijed:osnovni element plus 3 krilca, koja ne smiju imati rupe utore i sl., deflektori ispred hladnjaka: 2 dijela maks dimenzija tih i tih, bez rupa, proreza i zareza.

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Rencken o DAS-u, legalnosti itd.

https://www.racefans.net/2020/02/26/why ... ing-wheel/

Interesantan citat o Allison-u
It should come as no surprise then to note Mercedes’ technical director James Allison is the son of RAF air chief marshal Sir John Allison KCB CBE, a keen vintage aircraft collector and pilot who was at one stage director of operations and strategy for Jaguar Racing (now Red Bull) and once crash-landed a Messerschmitt during a demonstration flip. His son planned to qualify as a military pilot before colour blindness blocked that career path, leading him to switch to aerodynamics.
Samo bi pilotu i moglo naumpasti ovakva ideja.

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Četri argumenta zašto je DAS nelegalan by AMuS
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -mercedes/

prevod preuzet sa Reddit-a:
Red Bull has doubts about the legality of "DAS". But Mercedes has already clarified all four arguments against toe adjustment from the steering wheel with the FIA in advance. Red Bull is afraid that the competition will have to pay a lot of money for the copy.
FIA Technical Director Nikolas Tombazis is currently receiving a lot of mail. The teams are bombarding the FIA with many questions about "DAS", that spectacular toe adjustment system of Mercedes, which is activated by pulling and pushing the steering wheel.
The asking has two motives. One is to find out what's behind the system. The others doubt its legality. The second group includes Red Bull. Technical director Adrian Newey admits: "We haven't quite understood the benefits yet. But in our opinion, there are legitimate doubts about its legality."
Red Bull's zeal in this matter is obvious. Mercedes is the direct competitor. You don't grant them a technical advantage, and certainly not if you can't yet assess the advantages properly. In the end, it's a match winner. It would be the same the other way round.
Renault colleague Marcin Budkowski, on the other hand, is relaxed. "Mercedes is not our opponent. But if the system would show up at Racing Point tomorrow, we would ask the FIA a lot of questions as well." For Budkowski, the question of whether or not it is legal is a tightrope walk. "It depends entirely on how you interpret it."
Steering that does not steer
Critics of the system see four approaches to unhinge "DAS". One: The influence on aerodynamics. But even Adrian Newey has moved away from that theory. "The effect on aerodynamics is probably secondary." Mercedes thinks so: Every steering manoeuvre affects the aerodynamics because the front wheels change position.
Secondly: Violation of the parc fermé rules because, for example, when using the system in qualifying, the car's set-up is changed while driving. Argument against it: You do the same by adjusting the differential lock and the brake balance. All actions from the steering wheel are allowed, even if the setup changes.
Third: "DAS" is an intervention in the chassis configuration. Answer from Mercedes: You always do that when steering. The geometry of the chassis is already changing the toe and camber and therefore the ground clearance.
Fourthly: For Adrian Newey it is the killer argument: "The steering is there to steer. When you turn it, the car changes direction. But if you push and shove, the car keeps going straight ahead. So the requirement for the car to turn is not met."
But Mercedes is not worried about this argument either: "We have also clarified this point with the FIA beforehand. Every steering system has a certain play. You can choose the ratio freely. So even when you steer, there's no guarantee that the car will change direction."
A lot of money for one year
Ferrari claims that a similar system had been considered in the past, but rejected it because of doubts about its legality. "Anyone can say that afterwards", Mercedes mocks. And funny: A week before that, Ferrari still said that they had not had an active toe adjustment system on their radar.
The sudden 360-degree turn has the goal of discreetly putting the world association under pressure. Team Principal Mattia Binotto gives the man of honor: "We trust the FIA's judgment." After last year's engine episode, Ferrari must first keep its feet still and hope that others will succeed with their attacks on "DAS".
Red Bull team boss Christian Horner is surprised that the FIA gave Mercedes the green light at all. "It should have been clear that Mercedes is forcing others to develop a similar system. A lot of money is wasted because of one year. In 2021 the system is banned anyway. "The world federation attributes "DAS" to the steering chapter. So it would be legal. Of course, the technical commissioners noticed the hype about the system. The story about the toe adjustment made waves around the world. Mercedes received much praise for its invention. But one FIA man also warned: "Let's see if people are still so enthusiastic when Mercedes is vastly superior."

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Budkowski je dobro odgovorio, zavisi od interpretacije. Kao što sam i ja neki dan govorio. Da je neko drugi u pitanju interpretirali bi drugačije i proglasili nelegalnim, po trenutnom pravilniku. Nebi im trebale dodatne izmjene...

Mercedesova prva tri objašnjenja se sva svode na skretanje. A najbitiniji je ovaj četvrti, Neweyev argument - ovo se ne koristi za skretanje. Tako da je tu odmah u startu FIA napravila grešku. Nisu ovo mogli proglasiti uravljačkim dijelom, jer nema šanse da ovo nema nikakve veze sa ovjesom.

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Mercedes o "The Sun" i njihovom novinaru Ben Hunt-u.
https://twitter.com/MercedesAMGF1/status/1234087657648664577 Toto Wolff je puno veći profesionalac od mene. Ja da sam na njegovo mjestu, ja bih iskoristio svoj uticaj i na neki fin način onemogućio ovog "novinara" da mu ikad više postavi pitanje.
No dobro, zato i jest g. Wolff tamo gdje jeste, a ja ovdje gdje jesam :zubo:

U svakom slučaju, iako podržavam slobodu medija, uvijek sam zato da se ona ograniči od gluposti. Malo me yebe što onda to više nije sloboda medija :cool:

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Sto se zbilo :kokice:
"If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough." Mario Andretti

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“How embarrassing is this for you,” Hunt asks Wolff.

“The team’s home race? Having Netflix here? You know, you’ve got the outfits, everything was poised for the celebration and you’ve ended up with a car in eleventh and car in the kitty litter. It can’t be too good?”

Wolff’s response showed he was not amused by the blunt question.

Toto Wolff: You want a headline for The Sun from me? I’m not going to give you a headline.

Ben Hunt: I’ll do that, don’t worry.

TW: Yeah, I know. It was a terrible day for us. Should I actually respond to you when you give me such an answer?

BH: Well, why not?

TW: Well, Lewis put the car into the wall and then we made the wrong call with the tyres. The tyres were not ready. But I wouldn’t say it was just one bad decision or one bad incident.

https://www.news.com.au/sport/motorspor ... 0abf2b6e11
Sisu (fin.)

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The Sun je trash ali je kolega ka i uvijek, osjetljiv kad neko pikne Mercedes..
Fino Alla Fine

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CrashOverride je napisao/la: 01.03.2020., 21:36 The Sun je trash ali je kolega ka i uvijek, osjetljiv kad neko pikne Mercedes..
Ovaj put si fulnuo.
The Sun često "pikne" Mercedes, a i Hamiltona čiji sam "fanboy", ali nikad nisam to prenio na portal.
A da sam osjetljiv na nešto što volim, jesam :zubo:
Jednostavno nemam običaj da komentarišem ako novinari negdje drugo napišu smeće. Svako ima pravo na svoj put.
Kad bi htio da komentarišem njihovo djelo ili stav, ne bih to radio ovdje, već tamo gdje je izvorno napisano :thumbs:
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