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BREAKING : The FIA has rejected the Ferrari protest.

Canada GP result will stay like it is.

Sarma je napisao/la: 21.06.2019., 16:50 BREAKING : The FIA has rejected the Ferrari protest.

Da nije ovo taj "silver Bullet" od Ferrarija, što je Mark Hughes najavljivao

Nitko nije pomislio da bi ovi mogli nakon detaljnih pretraga dodati još 5 sekundi , pa bi bio treći

Čak ni ne djeluje toliko nerealno

Lewis Hamilton says Formula 1's 2021 overhaul is "nowhere near where it needs to be" and requires "serious changes", after attending a crunch meeting that delayed finalising the rules.

Discussions over the major rules change first started in April 2018 but teams retain a number of concerns over the latest proposals and the summit in Paris two weeks ago shuffled the deadline to finalise the rules back to October, to buy stakeholders more time.

Hamilton, Renault's Nico Hulkenberg and Grand Prix Drivers' Association head Alex Wurz provided driver representation at the meeting.

Asked by Motorsport.com what he expected to gain from attending the meeting, and if it left him encouraged, Hamilton gave a detailed answer about what drivers are trying to achieve, why the rulemaking process needs to achieve, and where he believes things can be improved.

He acknowledged that "it was encouraging that they allowed us to be there", but was critical of the situation F1 is currently in.

"They were really, really welcoming, which was great," he said. "I'm hoping they'll continue to have us there, a couple of us drivers each time.

"They've extended the decision of making the rules. I think they need to, because they are nowhere near where it needs to be in my opinion. They've got to make serious changes to the decisions they've already made for what 2021 should be."

Hamilton said that the root of his attendance was that the drivers are finally united under the GPDA banner and they are "just trying to get in the door and be a part of it [the rulemaking process]".

"For many, many years they've never wanted us in that room," said Hamilton. "Which I guess is why it's never happened. Because they are engineers and the guys that make the decisions. We're 'just' drivers.

"But we know how the car feels and we have good positive criticism and negative criticism that can only help influence their decision.

"You can't make a rule change about something without having all the facts behind it, and what effect it will have. So we just go in there to try to be a guide and if we can be part of the rudder.

"If they come up with an idea, we can say, 'Actually that would feel terrible in the car'."

Hamilton said an element that was positive is F1's commitment to "a real aero package that hopefully will have an impact on [cars] following [one another]".

However, he claimed that the weight of the cars "is not a great thing" and wants the 2021-generation car to be lower and replicate "the speed of the cars in the early 2000s".

"It still needs to be F1, the pinnacle of the sport and the fastest cars around the world," said Hamilton. "Hopefully with us as a part of it we can make a real cool change.

"It's not only that, it's the format of the weekend that can shift a little bit for the fans, how we engage and bring the fans in. There's all these things that can be better."

Hulkenberg echoed Hamilton's views that the aero element of the 2021 rules was encouraging.

"The cars are fast, they are spectacular, the problem is you can't get close to a car," he said. "But I think for the 2021 rules that hopefully will be addressed properly.

"I have faith that on the aero side, which is the most important, that will be corrected and adjusted the right side."

Ništa od tih pravila...sve se to odavno razvodnilo, a sada su se kao sjetili 4 MJESECA prije objave pravila da razgovaraju sa vozacima... prekrasno.

Vjerujem da ce Mercedes i 2021. biti na vrhu...nema odlučnosti ni sposobnosti u trenutnom vodstvu FIA-e i F1 za prave stvari.

Da nažalost i meni se čini da od toga svega ništa.

Pitam se na što su mislili kada su radili ova trenutna pravila. Znalo se da će utrkivanje znatno pasti i da se ovim trenutnim pravilima F1 može pohvaliti samo brzinom bolida. Tada su fanovi prigovarali da bolidi nisu atraktivnog izgleda niti nešto brzi...a ove budale odmah skočile i udovoljile. Pritom su upropastili ono najbitnije oko cega se ovaj sport vrti, a to je utrkivanje.

Ne znam zbog čega je tako teško donijeti novi pravilnik, pa znaju svi što se treba napraviti da je lakše pratiti bolide. Očito nekome ta pravila ne pašu pa se gleda kako udovoljiti svima. A takvim tempom ništa.

F1 treba odjebat apsolutno sve timove, napravit pravila po zdravoj logici i pomoć manjim timovima u hvatanju velikih. Zvuči jednostavno, ali previše je tu politike i onih koji tu F1 drže za jaja.

@senna66
Znači, neka se u nekim stvarima (ne svim, naravno) ugledaju malo na braću Amere....

Pa kao što kaže Hamilton, najveći problem je što će bolidi biti još teži. A dobra stvar je da će se moći pratiti. Shvatam da će novi točkovi biti teži, ali da bi smanjili težinu, samo su malo drastičnije trebali ograničiti dužinu bolida, recimo na međuosovinski razmak od max. 3,2 m. A prema AMuS-u, trenutno su ga ograničili na 3,6 m, što je praktički skoro isto kao i danas... I prednje krilo je i dalje 2 m široko. Da malo više skrate dužinu bolida, i smanje ovo prednje krilo, da bude potpuno unutar prednjih točkova, možda da ponovo suze čitav bolid na 1,8 m, sa tim bi odmah i olakšali bolide za dosta kg. A usput da zadrže ove promjene na podnici, što će uticati na bolje praćenje bolida.

senna66 je napisao/la: 24.06.2019., 13:04 F1 treba odjebat apsolutno sve timove, napravit pravila po zdravoj logici i pomoć manjim timovima u hvatanju velikih. Zvuči jednostavno, ali previše je tu politike i onih koji tu F1 drže za jaja.

Ukratko objašnjeno što F1 treba napraviti da se izvuče iz trenutnih govana Nažalost, dio koji nije boldan onemogućava to rješenje.

Evo i Ham se slaže sa Maxom da ekipe nebi trebale biti uključene u slaganje pravila.

Lewis Hamilton says F1's current rule-making process is flawed, as it allows teams to be involved in key decisions about its future.

Hamilton won his fifth race of the current campaign on Sunday at a French Grand Prix low on entertainment. The result extended his lead in the championship to 36 points, but after the race he was defending himself from suggestions that his dominance of F1 is boring. The five-time world champion has recently taken an active role in helping F1 shape its future, attending a 2021 rules summit in Paris earlier this month, where all 10 teams were present along with F1 chiefs and the FIA, racing's governing body.

"From how it's set up, just from watching when I was there, it's not good," Hamilton said about that process on Sunday evening. "Really not good. They won't like me saying that." When asked what he meant, he replied: "I think ultimately the FIA, they're the governing body and they need to make all the decisions.

"The teams shouldn't be involved in that, in my opinion, because the teams all want to do something for themselves. That's the natural thing.

"Same in football, if all the teams sat in a room and said sport should be like this, they would push and pull for their own benefit. But if you get central group of people telling us, like the FIA for example, that their sole job is to make the sport great again, hiring individuals or whatever, they should have the power. They should make the decisions."

That Paris meeting led to a delay on the publication of the 2021 rules until October. F1 racing chief Ross Brawn has been tasked with finding a rules package that creates closer racing and a less widely spread playing field, with numerous teams able to win and claim a podium each weekend. Talk of F1's future doesn't stop at the next set of rules. Hamilton's current boss, Toto Wolff, has been touted as future boss of the championship.

While he admires Wolff's talent as a manager Hamilton thinks F1 needs to be led by someone without any affiliation to an existing team.

"I don't believe there's a better manager [than Wolff] within whole of F1. However, sitting back as a fan, when you sit in the room with people who have to make the ultimate decision, we as humans are, I think, in my opinion, we can be biased. "You've got [FIA boss] Jean Todt, I know Jean's level, but the fact is he's been with the red team [Ferrari] for so long, surely when he wakes up, if there's a red T-shirt and a silver T-shirt, surely he goes for the red one.

"That's just like when I get out of bed and see [car number] 44 or 6, I will go for 44 and Toto has been Mercedes through and through for such a long period of time, I don't know if there is anything in that.

"If it is a choice of management I think he would be the best, but I think the best is someone from outside who is neutral, if that is possible. But even so, they'll watch it and choose a team that they prefer, that's just how we are you know.

"Look at football -- you're drawn to something. That's how we're tuned."

Pa o tome se već piše čitavu stranicu...

Skužajte nisam vidio tek mi je danas ESPN izbacio članak

croatic f1 je napisao/la: 24.06.2019., 17:54

senna66 je napisao/la: 24.06.2019., 13:04 F1 treba odjebat apsolutno sve timove, napravit pravila po zdravoj logici i pomoć manjim timovima u hvatanju velikih. Zvuči jednostavno, ali previše je tu politike i onih koji tu F1 drže za jaja.

Ukratko objašnjeno što F1 treba napraviti da se izvuče iz trenutnih govana Nažalost, dio koji nije boldan onemogućava to rješenje.

FIA donosi pravila wmsc-u. Ako to naprave dovoljno rano timovi se ne moraju složiti (osim Ferrarija ukoliko ima veto). S druge strane Liberty koji želi zaraditi od F1 želi postići konsenzus oko pravila jer ne želi osipanje grida, a pogotovo ne želi odlazak velikih momčadi koje nose veliki publicitet od kojeg svi žive....

Brejking xd
Ode paddy lowe, effective imm.

wapi je napisao/la: 25.06.2019., 06:58 FIA donosi pravila wmsc-u. Ako to naprave dovoljno rano timovi se ne moraju složiti (osim Ferrarija ukoliko ima veto). S druge strane Liberty koji želi zaraditi od F1 želi postići konsenzus oko pravila jer ne želi osipanje grida, a pogotovo ne želi odlazak velikih momčadi koje nose veliki publicitet od kojeg svi žive....

To je ta politika i "držanje za jaja" koje je spomenuo @senna66. Sve pet, u skladu je s nazivom Liberty Medije da budu ultraliberalni, ali tako neće postići apsolutno ništa. Momčadi imaju prevelik utjecaj na pravila, previše se njih pita u svemu tome i na kraju dobijemo milijun kompromisa, odgoda i nekakav poluproizvod od novih pravila.

"100 baba, kilavo dite"

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/team ... n/4483178/

Razgovarat će se o vraćanju na stare gume nakon ljetne pauze..

Nemam ništa protiv promjene guma unutar sezone ako se za tu promjenu složi 7 od 10 timova ili ako je uvjetovana sigurnošću. Ali bi bilo krajnje žalosno da promjene gume usred sezone samo zbog "poboljšanja spektakla".

Mogu li se uopće na neki treći način promijeniti gume, tipa na nagovor FIA-e?

U ovom trenutku više mi je puna kapa ovog Pirellija...jebote 9 godina ne mogu napraviti dobru gumu! 9!
I uopće me ne zanima opravdanje da "FIA i FOM traže degradirajuće gume"...ne traže kao od 2011 to 2013...od 2017 dobili su slobodu napraviti tvrđe bolje gume sa puno manje degradacije i ni to ne mogu napraviti kako treba.

Iako stvarno mrzim gumarske ratove, mislim da se treba vratiti...jer izludit ću do 2023 godine dokle je Pirelli dobio ovaj novi ugovor kao solo proizvođač...dovedi Michelin, Hankok, Bridgestone, Goodyear ostavi Pirelli, ako žele i daj im otvorene ruke...ali ne dva proizvođača već minimalno 3 ili 4 da se ne svede opet sve na dvije ekipe kao prije Bridgestone sa Ferrarijem i Michelin sa McLarenom i Renaultom. Daj hrpu opcija kao u japanskom Super GT natjecanju.

Jer ovaj Pirelli prošli tjedan kaže "vozači će moći pritiskati cijelu utrku u Francuskoj"...ne da nije bilo moguće nego su neki jedva došli do kraja...pa ko im radi te prognoze?

Užas, užas...svaki vikend, svake godine pričamo o Pirelliju, umjesto o vozačima i ekipama i događanjima na stazi. Ja ne znam da li to ove budale rade zbog marketinga jer valjda se vode onom da je svaki marketing dobar, pa makar on bio loš ili su jednostavno nesposobni.