Dešava Big šit iza zastora.. Berni i Horner pokušavaju normalizirati razlike u agregatima, uvesti rudimentarniji 1000HP agregat koji bi bio jači, atraktivniji za F1 po svojoj snazi i zbog poznate tehnologije puno jeftiniji i pouzdaniji. Razlike u poznatoj tehnologiji između proizvođača su zanemarive i to naravno nepaše Wolfu jer sa time gube svoju dominaciju u izradi agregata (iako su i u vrijeme V8 imali najbolji agregat, no razlike su bile manje pa je tada bilo bitnije proizvesti bolju šasiju i paket.. te se pokazalo da je u tome RB bio tadašnji vrh, prije toga drugi timovi). Naravno kad je u pitanju dominacija preko šasije tada je puno jednostavnije normalizirati razlike ukidanjem 'aseva u rukavu' te određane ekipe koja je svojom domišljatošću došla do rješenja.. dok je to u slučaju agregata to neizvedivo zbog skupog proizvodnog procesa i te promjene moraju biti zadane zadane za duži period.
Populistički je stav raje kako sve što Berni kaže uglavnom loše.. no nitko ne uzima u obzir da je on ovaj sport vodio čisto pristojno i digao ga na ovu razinu.. dok se nije stvorila kvota za ovaj cirkus koji gledamo sada u F1.. a on je bio prvi na liniji protiv toga (uvođenja ovih agregata). I po mom Berni je vrlo intelegentna osoba koja gleda više unaprijed nego interesi timova i FIA-nog vodstva, te zna što radi. Stoga sam ja u većini slučajeva bio na strani tog 'starog prdonje' kojeg bi većina već odavno pokopala. Ja ću samo reći.. jao F1 kad on 'krepa'. Sa ovakvom strukturom vlasti koja odlučuje mislim da je F1 osuđena na propast.. i kako se čini Berni je u stanju lupiti posljednji put 'šakom od stol' prije nego napusti ovaj svijet, i kako mi se čini to je će biti vjerovatno pravi potez za F1 (a ne za jedan određeni tim, nevezano za Mercedes).
Sad 'poslušajte' cijeli razgovor posljednjeg sastanka između Bernija, Horneta i Wolfa.. pa prosudite sami. Volio bih da izložite svoj pogled na taj razgovor i argumentirajte ga kako bi mogli čuti više mišljenja.. svoje već jesam.
CITAT razgovora:
Mr Horner, Red Bull has threatened to leave Formula One. What is your problem?
Christian Horner: First of all, I would like to clarify that rules are rules and Mercedes has done a fantastic job within the framework of the current regulations. We do acknowledge this. However, the bigger question is what the future holds. We should ask Bernie Ecclestone. Bernie, what do you think about the engines?
Ecclestone: Engines? These are no engines. They are called power units. They will never be used in a road car, a boat or an aeroplane. We have gone too far. When the rules were written, nobody really thought about the actual result. It is a great piece of engineering. But it has nothing to do with Formula one. Our sport must be spectacular, we don’t need to be the precursor for automotive technology. Mercedes did nothing wrong. The regulations are rubbish. If I had a team that had done the job as well as Mercedes, I would praise the regulations as well. And I really wouldn’t give a damn what the competition says.
Toto Wolff: This is my role. I have to achieve the best performance within the possibilities of the current regulations. Of course you can question if these regulations are good or bad for Formula One. But that’s beyond our agenda. When a team has been very successful for years and then lost its dominance due to a change in regulations, that certainly creates controversy. But that’s part of the game in Formula One. My job is to keep our advantage.
Ecclestone: Toto, tell me one thing: Where would Williams or Force India or Lotus be right now if they had a Renault engine?
Wolff: Yes, I have to admit that the engine is a big advantage for these teams.
Nowadays, technology dominates. Does this mean the driver is less important?
Ecclestone: Of course. We have very few heroes left! Even though there are many great drivers who could win regularly in a Mercedes: Sebastian Vettel, Fernando Alonso, Lewis Hamilton. It would be perfect if those three had equally good cars and could fight each other each race and not just from time to time. But with Formula One as it is today, that is not possible. Not the people are heroes, the machines are.
Would you change the engine regulations if you could?
Ecclestone: Yes! I would probably just use the engines we had before. The public seemed to like the noise, the teams seemed to like the costs and the racing was better too. But if that’s not possible, I’d like Mercedes to supply every engine to the teams. The result would be the same for the sport.
But it is a fact that Renault wanted the V6 hybrid engines the most. And now they too are threatening to leave.
Ecclestone: That’s why I say nobody should blame Mercedes. It’s not their mistake.
Horner: The management was different then at Renault. It was a different time. Plus they thought that this technology would be relevant for road cars. But shouldn’t there be three factors in Formula One that are the same? I am talking about the driver, the chassis and the engine. At the moment the weighting isn’t quite right. The cars are too easy to drive. The engines are too dominant and too expensive. Cheaper engines with 1000 hp would be the solution. The fans would love it.
Wolff: Apparently the three of us have different targets. Bernie needs loud and spectacular engines, close racing and drivers that are personalities and fight each other on the track. Red Bull’s emphasis is less on high-tech as they are a pure race team. For us at Mercedes the high-tech story is very important…
Niki Lauda sticks his head around the door.
Ecclestone: We are busy, Lauda.
Lauda: Good afternoon, everybody!
Ecclestone: Once again, would you mind to shut the door, we are busy. Wait outside. He is so bloody rude. To gatecrash other people’s meetings.
Wolff: … So these are the facts. We all understand each other. For many years now we have reduced the aerodynamics and still the current lap times would beat those of the V8 era.
Ecclestone: But why is that?
Wolff: Because the cars are bloody fast on the straights. And if you speak with Lewis or Nico, they say: The downforce is incredible, like in the old days.
Ecclestone: But the more power you’ve got, the more downforce you need. The relation is not right.
Wolff: The whole package is important.
So how do we find a solution to the problem? Formula One is losing its fan base. So something needs to be changed.
Ecclestone: Absolutely. The easiest way: different engines.
Wolff: But we have decided to go for these regulations a couple of years ago. We have invested a lot of money. Some have done a better job than others. Now here we are. Formula One as a platform is important for all of us.
Ecclestone: Here’s another proposal for Mercedes. Why don’t you just spend the same amount of money than Force India? That would help too. But seriously: That’s all rubbish. We have meetings where we discuss when we have the next meeting. We sit together for four or five hours and nobody has got the balls to do anything. In the strategy group, the FIA and the commercial rights holder have the votes to put anything through – without any drama. Then somebody screams: “But this is a breach of the regulations.” If I was running things, I would say: You are probably right, take a good lawyer and go to arbitration. But we sit here and wait for Formula 1 to disappear.
Is that also because FIA-president Jean Todt is in favor of the new power units?
Ecclestone: The FIA president is in a difficult position. He doesn’t want to upset anbody. He wants to make everybody happy. Unfortunately that’s not that easy.
Mr Horner, when you won the championship four times in a row, did other teams want to weaken you at the time by changing the regulations?
Horner: Actually, the rules were changed a few times then. First, refueling got banned, then the new Pirelli tyres arrived. After that came the double diffusors, blown diffusors and restricted diffusors. The flexible bodywork got banned and engine mapping got restricted, during the season actually. But that wasn’t unique to Red Bull. McLaren had the same when they were dominating at the end of the 90s.
Is the Mercedes advantage too big now in order to change something?
Ecclestone: The trouble the other teams have with Mercedes is this one: They have the best team, probably the best chassis, the best power unit. I’m not sure about team managers (laughs ironically).
Wolff: And two great drivers who push each other.
Ecclestone: Sorry, that’s correct. They have two very good drivers as well. They should win.
Would it be possible for Lewis Hamilton to win this year’s championship in a Red Bull?
Ecclestone: No.
Horner: Strangely, we have the same team that we had when we were winning. Only the engine regulations changed. And we are behind in engine power and drivability compared to Mercedes.
Ecclestone: If everybody had the same engines, it would be about the best teams and the best drivers.
Wolff: But you can see that Ferrari has caught up. And it is good for Formula One that they could win against us in Malaysia. Even Sauber has made a huge step forward with the Ferrari customer engine. Of course, Mercedes is still the benchmark but the others are catching up.
Ecclestone (ironically): Right, now they are still only some seconds behind. It’s not your fault. Mercedes has done nothing wrong, the others have done nothing right.
But what can we do today to bring back the fans?
Wolff: It’s not a problem in every country. In UK, for example, the TV ratings were good at the end of last year. Germany has possibly just had a little bit of an F1-hangover. Michael won the championship five times in a row, Sebastian four times. Germany won the football world cup. Maybe people are just a little bit fed up. This year there won’t be a German Grand Prix, so maybe the break will help that the fans get interested again.
Ecclestone: What if it doesn’t?
Wolff: Then we know that it doesn’t.
Ok, so once again: What can be done in Formula One?
Ecclestone: I am repeating myself. Go back to the old engines.
Wolff: For us the current technology is an important part of our Formula One commitment. Our marketing strategy is focusing on Formula One’s hybrid technology. That’s why we have an advantage as we have experience from the road car business.
Ecclestone: Do DTM!
Wolff: I know, this is where we agree to disagree.
Ecclestone: But then there’s this World Touring Car Championship. You can test your engines there. Not in F1. Wolff: They would be too expensive for that.
Mr Ecclestone, can you afford to lose Mercedes if you push through the rule changes against their will?
Ecclestone: No. Of course Formula One needs Mercedes. A strong brand which you can rely upon. But I can understand that Mercedes would be the biggest losers if we decide to tear up the current regulations. Nevertheless, I keep on saying that we need engines that don’t cost a fortune, engines that can produce more than 1000 hp and make a lot of noise. That’s why a second league within Formula One would be a good idea. All teams that cannot afford to be a constructor get the same chassis and the same engines. That’s the only way to level out the competition in Formula One. The constructors can continue building their own cars and engines if they like. And we can save the smaller teams.
Wolff: If Formula One really wants a two-tier field with constructors who build their own power units and a second league with teams that get different engines at a cheaper price, we can talk about it.
Horner: Objection! This doesn’t make any sense from our perspective. We are in our position because the regulations are very complicated and Renault has probably underestimated the new technology and it is difficult to catch up now. At the end of the day, Formula One is a marketing exercise. Constructors, teams and sponsors need the possibility to market themselves. The technology transfer is actually pretty limited. Formula One needs to be exciting, must offer a great show and needs to entertain. Man and machine at the limit. Otherwise it is hard to position ourselves against other sports.
Ferrari and Mercedes are the exceptions because they are also building road cars.
Horner: How many V6 engines do you have in a Mercedes?
Wolff: A lot. An example: The S-class hybrid uses a V6 turbo engine instead of a V8. The technology transfer from the road car to Formula One and vice versa really does work for us. And this is also the case for our partners.
Ecclestone: But F1 is not a testing lab for engines.
Wolff: I disagree. ABS and power steering originate from Formula One.
Ecclestone (angry!): A testing lab for engines I said!
Wolff: But it is called MOTOR racing! Also Ferrari has always said that the engine should play a bigger part than the aerodynamics. For us this Formula One is perfect. The technology transfer between road cars and racing and the communication around it is perfect. As much as we understand that F1 as a sport has to reinvent itself permanently.
And from Red Bull’s perspective? They must have a problem, because they have to sell engery drinks, not engines.
Ecclestone: That’s why they will leave, when it suits them. I’d like to make sure that we’ve got a good basis in Formula 1 if and when people do decide to disappear.
We are going around in circles here…
Ecclestone: Therefore: V8 engines or the same power unit for everybody. I would like to make a contract now that says that Mercedes will supply engines to all teams – for an affordable price which would enable Mercedes to make a profit as well.
Mr Wolff, would you sign such a contract?
Wolff: I don’t think that Ferrari would take a Mercedes engine.
Ecclestone: Leave Ferrari out. Always leave Ferrari out. They are an exception.
Mr Horner, would you accept a Mercedes engine?
Horner: Well, on the road car side Infiniti and Mercedes are already working together. Mercedes supplies engines to Infiniti.
What would your board of directors say, Mr Wolff?
Wolff: We need to focus on the performance of our own team. Our business case is structured in such a way that we build engines for our own works team plus for three customers. Formula One is all about winning and tiny margins. To provide your most fierce competitor with your engine is not something we should do.
Would Red Bull want to build its own engine?
Horner: We are a clear-cut chassis constructor. We’ve got no desire to make engines.
Ecclestone: No one will come into formula one with this new engine.
Horner: Look at Honda. They have the money and all the resources in the world. So when a company like Honda is struggling, it shows how difficult the job is.
Wolff: But Honda want stability in the current regulations. And it is normal that you are not competitive with these complex engines right at the start.
How much time does Formula One have left to find a solution?
Horner: Until yesterday.
Wolff: Should a change be wanted for 2017, it needs to be done by 28 February 2016.
Ecclestone (gets more and more angry, bangs his hand on the table again): Stop with all this shit talking about these silly regulations. You won’t make any agreements with anyone cause you wanna stick with what you’ve got. I don’t blame you. But why is the FIA so bloody stupid and is not having the balls to do something about it? I would just do it. And if you don’t like it, go to arbitration. Or get out of F1, one or the other.
Wolff: Bernie, if you were sitting here, you would say the same what I said.
Ecclestone: I don’t want to see Formula One destroyed, just because some people have made a mistake. Normally, you can make up for mistakes. But we don’t even try. We have a lot of meetings in which a lot of nonsense is discussed and where decisions are postponed until next week or next month, again and again. And so it goes on and on until we run out of time. We are sitting around, waiting for Formula One to disappear. Toto, you will have a nice thing on your tombstone: “I helped to screw Formula One.” You didn’t do it single handed, but you helped. I will try to convince the FIA to intervene. And if people complain, go to arbitration (bangs his hand on the table again). I guarantee that we will win the arbitration. I will certainly not allow that Formula One gets destroyed because of selfishness – after having worked perfectly well for 50 years.
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, od kad su ih uveli, zelja za odlaskom za utrku mi se smanjila, (malo mi je forma Ferrari digla želju 
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Bilo bi jako dobro kada bi se vratili stari, i to još jači motori i bar 120kg goriva, a ako je Berniu stvarno stalo koliko se čini da jeste, mislim da tu neće biti velikih problema i prepreka da se i vrate. Ali veliki je to šamar Mercedesu, i iako može privući nove timove, može ih isto tako i udaljiti, jer koja je poenta uložiti tolike novce u projekat, razvijati 'budućnosti' 2-3 godine, imati trenutak slave i onda ti sve oduzmu nakon 2-3 sezone...
Uglavnom, mislim da si Hamilton pokušava podići plaću i da ga to najviše žulja kod novog ugovora. Realno, Hamilton Ferrariju ne treba ni najmanje jer već sad imaju dva vrhunska vozača i po meni najbolju postavu na gridu. Atmosfera u ekipi je odlična, a Vettel i Kimi su puni hvale jedan za drugoga i što se tiče rada s ekipom. Posve se slažem, hvala, ali ne hvala. Osim toga, zašto bi Hamilton imao želju preći u Ferrari, ako je toliko siguran da Vettel ima zagarantiranu poziciju no. 1 vozača u svom ugovoru? ![[ link do slike ]](http://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/21600000/fist-pound-the-regular-show-club-21698256-412-281.gif){kind=link}