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Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 25.04.2016., 01:00
Postao Ferrari
Dani je napisao/la:Dakle i Gutierrez je dobio La Ferrari od ekipe? Po čemu bi oni dobili te automobile? Samo zato što su vozili nekoliko utrka? I to sada da ima poklanjau u trenutku kada je loša situacija sa sponzorima. Stvarno ste smiješni jer tih 500000 nije mala lova. Pitajte Arrivabena da li bi dao toliki novac za recimo Genea?
Pobogu čitaj.
Piše da su mu to trebali po ugovoru dati.
Uz to ovaj Mclaren se prodaje za 200.000 funti...kakvih 500.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 26.04.2016., 13:11
Postao Frantic
Honda opet "mućka" nešto za slijedeću godinu
http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/04/26/ ... -for-2017/

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 26.04.2016., 13:32
Postao Mr.Spaceguy
Mercedes Type Pre Chamber Injection Magic at Canada. Compressor out of the V in 2017

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 26.04.2016., 18:17
Postao zekohonda
a ono, prvo su se hvalili sa kompresorom unutra, brzinom vrtnje, blala... :bang:
ako se maknu tokeni za sljedeću godinu, sve ok, ako ne, opet smo najebali.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 26.04.2016., 21:38
Postao Mr.Spaceguy
Eric Boullier to Auto Hebdo:"Australia Spec had less power than Abu Dhabi 2015, Bahrein saw the return to Abu dhabi 2015 power level"

EB: "Honda still a long way off from Mercedes, we know it because we have the exact numbers"

According to Auto Hebdo: McLaren imposed to Honda to work with european engineers that were sent to Sakura in January.

The whole group is now working on a new version that's supposed to be introduced between Canada and GB. EB: "It's a bit of a bastard solution (meaning compromised/hybrid) but it will allow us to aspire to new ambitions in the second half of the season"

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 29.04.2016., 15:31
Postao Mr.Spaceguy

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 02.05.2016., 12:26
Postao Mr.Spaceguy
McLaren sprema veliki aero paket upgrade za Barcelonu.
Honda razmišlja da umjesto planiranog upgradea za VN Kanade, par tokena potroši za VN Barcelone. Tokeni bi se iskoristili za poboljšanje ERT(energy recovery turbine) i MGU-H.

Boullier:Štednja goriva je koštala McLaren 50sec

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 02.05.2016., 12:52
Postao zekohonda
ma odlično, sad se spominje ert i mgh-uh, a prije 20ak dana ICE.
http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/honda ... er-685580/

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 14:06
Postao Mr.Spaceguy
Insider Wazari (Honda Racing Development)
For example, the “size zero” issue which seems to still garner so much discussion to this day. One of my conditions for returning back to HRD was that I have full transparency of all communications between McLaren and Honda past and present with regards to this project. This concept of mini-packaging was obviously from McLaren and it is well documented. The layout was obviously Honda’s. This concept was pushed hard to Honda and Honda with their too much pride to say no, said okay. This is a common fault of many Japanese business practices and can set them back, best case scenario or ruin them. That fact that Honda caved and said no problem was definitely Honda’s fault 100%. Then Arai-san told McLaren after the 2015 season that it might possible to rearrange the plumbing to make the bodywork even tighter and at that point McLaren said no, that’s not necessary. Somehow people take that fact out of context and start saying that “size zero” was not McLaren’s agenda. Well whether you believe me or not, “size zero” definitely came from McLaren and it was pushed hard. So it didn’t work thus far, whose fault is it? I think both, but ultimately Honda for moving ahead with such a difficult and IMO a compromised layout.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 14:07
Postao alonso5

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 16:01
Postao Mr.Spaceguy
As an insider,I now wished we didn't go and chase Mclaren to put our PU in their chassis. It wasn't worth the money it is costing(Honda is paying most of the bill for the team and 1/2 of the drivers salary) Honda and the negative press.We are now thinking RB/TR or Sauber would of be better deal for Honda. But past history blinded the people in charge at the time(Ito and Arai).

Problems.....

Honda PU is down on power/efficiency and ERS at the moment but is actually doing very well compared to last year.

MP4-31 is pretty much a brick wall in the air at the moment(DF to Drag isn't close to top chassis),Barcelona upgrades hopefully helps that problem.Rear suspension design hurts tire wear.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 18:27
Postao zekohonda
brick kaže? isto ja čitam po honda forumima.
spojiš lošu pu i ciglu. ništa od podija ove godine. :bang:

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 20:24
Postao Iceman
Dakle one priče o šasiji koja je skoro al pari sa Mercedesovom padaju u vodu...

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 22:03
Postao Dani
Hmmm da . Insajder. Vidio sam kako se ta cigla muči kroz zavoje Sočija. Taj insajder priča gluposti.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 22:55
Postao Mr.Spaceguy
Dani je napisao/la:Hmmm da . Insajder. Vidio sam kako se ta cigla muči kroz zavoje Sočija. Taj insajder priča gluposti.
Ovaj gornji (Wazari) radi za Hondu i ima nećaka koji radi. Za ovog donjega(Sascha) koji kaže da je cigla sam tek nedavno čuo. No obojica su vjerodostojni. Prvi je sredio jednom od korisniku f1tehnical iz Australije ručak u McLarenu, selfi s Buttonom i obilazak pitlanea za vrijeme VN Australije.

Uostalom evo jedan od Wazarijevih zadnjih postova sa foruma o McLaren Hondi:


"Ah the internet and social media can be such a good resource and also can create so much misunderstanding and harm. I have made some acquaintances through this forum and even got to meet one at Melbourne. I hope he had a good time as he got a free meal at the McLaren compound, took a selfie with JB and got a tour of the pits. He sent a bottle of expensive scotch as thanks which was greatly appreciated. I have also been called an idiot, delusional, fake amongst other things from members here also. Such a strange thing this internet has become.

I did take an assignment with HRD. Things have changed at Honda and I am not sure if I made the right decision to come back. I am being well compensated for my time but the frustration and cultural changes within HRD have made it extremely mentally taxing especially for an old geezer like me. My daughter keeps on saying, “I told you so………..”

I am posting here because I believe my days here at HRD are coming to an end. I have put in many hours, HRD has my ideas and engineering work with regards to the ICE. I really don’t know if I can contribute any further. Please do not ask for any specifics or flood my inbox demanding information. I get sick and tired of people thinking they are entitled to upcoming developments without even a “please or thank you.” It’s up to McLaren, Nakamura-san and Hasegawa-san to decide what changes to make moving forward. There are many proposals on the table including mine, but now it’s up to them.

The media-journalists..haha. People, I think it is important to know that the media twists things more times than not. Also people like EB, (especially EB), Arai-san, Hasegawa-san, Ron Dennis, Toto Wolf, Christian Horner, etc. are all above anything else politicians. They speak company agenda, personal agenda and the truth in that order. For example, the “size zero” issue which seems to still garner so much discussion to this day. One of my conditions for returning back to HRD was that I have full transparency of all communications between McLaren and Honda past and present with regards to this project. This concept of mini-packaging was obviously from McLaren and it is well documented. The layout was obviously Honda’s. This concept was pushed hard to Honda and Honda with their too much pride to say no, said okay. This is a common fault of many Japanese business practices and can set them back, best case scenario or ruin them. That fact that Honda caved and said no problem was definitely Honda’s fault 100%. Then Arai-san told McLaren after the 2015 season that it might possible to rearrange the plumbing to make the bodywork even tighter and at that point McLaren said no, that’s not necessary. Somehow people take that fact out of context and start saying that “size zero” was not McLaren’s agenda. Well whether you believe me or not, “size zero” definitely came from McLaren and it was pushed hard. So it didn’t work thus far, whose fault is it? I think both, but ultimately Honda for moving ahead with such a difficult and IMO a compromised layout.

The chassis- I am not a chassis nor aero engineer. What makes a good chassis? IMO, this comprises of many different components, mainly aero work and suspension. I do know several chassis engineers and they all tell me that translating telemetry and race data and relating it to whether a component is working or not is the most difficult aspect of their work scope. I’ve also been told on numerous occasions that from concept to full development is just like a PU, a 3 to 4 year timeline. So how anyone can derive whether a chassis is good or not based on numbers based on a few races is beyond me. If a car appears well-planted what does that really mean? Compliant suspension, lots of DF, a combination of the two? I don’t know, engineers you tell me. Even driver input can be subjective and difficult to assess. Drag coefficient seems not to be discussed but an important component of aero work. Two cars can have the same drag coefficient with different amounts of DF. This is where it seems RB shines. A junior engineer at McLaren somehow tweeted, Insta-gram or Snap-chat or one of these social media portals, probably having too many ales and/or extremely frustrated called the MP4-31 “trying to move a brick” and somehow spread before taken down. I think that is an exaggeration but again made it to the internet. Obviously drag coefficient plays a part in overall top speed. This probably cost him his job.

F1 has become a fuel efficiency battle. At full fuel flow limit, our ICE makes good power. I believe that gap to Mercedes is about 5-7%. However Mercedes has done an exceptional job of extracting maximum HP at less than full fuel flow settings. Their combustion process is second to none right now. We have a very good idea at what they accomplished. This is the area that I have been focusing on. All teams are carrying max fuel load at the start of the race so far. The compressor design Honda is using is unconventional and redesigning the internal structure is very difficult. I can’t go into detail but let’s just say more conventional compressors are easier to manipulate for desired output. Honda underestimated many potential trouble factors. The amount of heat from the ERS was one area. Intercooling was another. When the initial PU was put under bodywork, a lot of people were surprised and there was no turning back at that point. The amount of progress has been massive considering the numerous trouble areas that plagued this PU last season. Heat dissipation, overall reliability and deployment have significantly improved. It obviously isn’t nowhere enough. As I mentioned, there are numerous solutions that have been worked up. As to which ones will get implemented is above my rank and paygrade. Improvements are coming. I don’t know when and I hope they’re my team’s solution. Our team is three people, not four as mentioned in previous posts.

So people, please don’t be mean to each other. It doesn’t solve anything. Discussion is great and I enjoy that aspect in this forum but personal insults serve no purpose. For the record, Sasha is definitely “an insider”, not a Honda fanboy (actually far from it) and does not drive a Civic. Actually his daily driver is a F458 and ironically has a McLaren in his garage.

If I get in trouble for this I don't care. I have no personal agenda. I hope to see the two members in Silverstone and one in Austin as planned. Wazari.....out......"

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 06.05.2016., 22:59
Postao Ferrari
Dani je napisao/la:Hmmm da . Insajder. Vidio sam kako se ta cigla muči kroz zavoje Sočija. Taj insajder priča gluposti.
Shebala se dva RBR-a, Ferrari, Force India i eto kako bi došli do bodova. Nikako.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 08.05.2016., 00:17
Postao Dani
Ferrari je napisao/la:
Dani je napisao/la:Hmmm da . Insajder. Vidio sam kako se ta cigla muči kroz zavoje Sočija. Taj insajder priča gluposti.
Shebala se dva RBR-a, Ferrari, Force India i eto kako bi došli do bodova. Nikako.
Krivo si me shvatio. Naime ja sam gledao kako mclaren vozi kroz te sporije zavoje i nisam bio razočaran. Uostalom nisu niti vozači. Naprotiv. Tako da više vjerujem njima nego nekim hejterima na raznim portalima.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 08.05.2016., 12:30
Postao Kage
Dani je napisao/la:
Ferrari je napisao/la:
Dani je napisao/la:Hmmm da . Insajder. Vidio sam kako se ta cigla muči kroz zavoje Sočija. Taj insajder priča gluposti.
Shebala se dva RBR-a, Ferrari, Force India i eto kako bi došli do bodova. Nikako.
Krivo si me shvatio. Naime ja sam gledao kako mclaren vozi kroz te sporije zavoje i nisam bio razočaran. Uostalom nisu niti vozači. Naprotiv. Tako da više vjerujem njima nego nekim hejterima na raznim portalima.
Mislim da si ti krivo shvatio izraz "brick wall in the air". McLaren ima dovoljno downforcea, što mu omogućava dobre prolaske kroz zavoje ali izgleda da plaćaju cijenu u višem otporu zraka u odnosu na konkurenciju što ih košta na ravnim dijelovima staze.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 08.05.2016., 15:31
Postao Dani
Aha. Ok. Hvala na pojašnjenju.

Re: McLaren Honda

Postano: 13.05.2016., 19:24
Postao zekohonda
opet dennis ne da (je li se ovo skupa piše) hondine motore! :facepalm:
http://www.grandprix247.com/2016/05/13/ ... -f1-title/