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The video reveals the dynamics of Vettel: Alonso had no knowledge

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The camera car of Ferrari's German would show McLaren slow down and point the wall without reaction. The hypothesis made ​​ill by Ron Dennis is stronger. But the cause?

"I have no certainty that Alonso was aware before the accident." Ron Dennis, to say and not to say, he had put on the right track. There is growing evidence that Fernando is unconscious before impact against the wall at Turn 3 of the Montmelo circuit, during testing of 22 February. The confirmation could come from the images of CCTV cameras, one of which is placed right on the inside of the track at the point where he hit the McLaren of Spanish. Have never been shown, contrary to what happened to the crash of Jules Bianchi at Suzuka, but certainly they are available to the FIA, which opened an investigation into the incident.

sequence - They really are not the only images of the incident Alonso. There are others. Are those of the chamber mounted on the Ferrari car of Sebastian Vettel, who followed Spanish very closely. Well, from the perspective of Vettel, who spoke on the moment of freak accident, the dynamics would be clear and unambiguous, showing the McLaren of Alonso which sets the long curve to the right and then instead of maintaining its speed, spreading out towards the curb , suddenly slows and center street moves to the right, in the direction of the wall, without any reaction of the pilot, as if the MP4-30 was left to itself and no longer governed. So have no loss of grip on synthetic grass or wind (explanation implausible pulled out early from the team) as a cause of the accident.

sequence - You would see McLaren hit a first time against the wall (without serious damage) and then lean to coast a second time, crawled for about 200 meters, with no hints of control by the pilot. A sequence that would suggest that Alonso has begun to lose consciousness before the bang (braking would not be incompatible) and not as a result of head trauma due to impact. Which leaves the field in only two situations: an illness of the pilot or the famous electrical discharge that would have stunned, strongly denied by McLaren. The FIA ​​now ask the images to Ferrari or has already done? Returning to shock, but there are many good reasons to think that it is more unlikely than the illness. The current Formula 1, equipped with electrical circuits from 700-800 volts, have in fact also a number of systems of protection against electrical failures, which could hardly fail. The control procedures that are done in the pits are also used to verify that all these protections are working. And if one goes haywire, there is another one ready to shoot.

Future - The Yellow therefore concentrates increasingly around Alonso, who on the advice of doctors (this is the official version) has renounced the Australian Grand Prix on 15 March as a precaution, assessing the risk that a second incident, at a close distance from the first , might lead. In fact, if it really was a personal illness the cause of all, there are many more questions that could affect the health and future of racing Alonso. Especially if it were a temporary ischemic attack (TIA). Only the doctors of the hospital in Barcelona that have aid and those of the medical committee Fia know the truth. The Spaniard, who came from two weeks of training very hard in high seas, following the head injury he suffered a retrograde memory loss, so as not to recognize either the manager Luis Garcia Abad neither the coach Fabrizio Borra. It even seems that Fernando believed to have suffered an accident on the kart 15 years. In recent days he is working on his sister, who is a doctor. It was the family, according to Dennis, not to want to issue an official medical bulletin. And this statement was among those who have cracked the relationship between McLaren and Alonso. So much so that now the story could also have implications for the type of insurance and contractual.
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Evo što hladni papreni Salo ima za reći oko Alonsovog odlaska i suradnji sa tim timom i timskim kolegama...
https://twitter.com/FansOfKR/status/574138868452212736 https://twitter.com/FansOfKR/status/574138238471962625 https://twitter.com/FansOfKR/status/574137744999477249 Citat:
- Alonso made a calculated risk by choosing to Mclaren. The team's resources are known, he would have gone back there. Ferrari is not afraid to say that Alonso focused entirely on themselves. He got himself to look good and, at the same time, the country is, however, completely trampled all over Kim's crack peddlers. Anyone can read between the lines, that is not Alonso wanted to leave, but yes, he was removed from there.
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Evo, izašao je i jedan video nesreće gdje se može čut Alonsov udarac u zid.

Ovdje imate i članak gdje Joaquín Verdegay, član FIA-e priča o tome kako je najvjerovatnije Alonso bio bez svjesti prije udarca.

Vídeo en exclusiva del accidente de Fernando Alonso en Montmeló

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The opinion of Joaquin Verdegay - who was a member of the World Council of the FIA, and one of the men most knowledgeable of Formula 1.
"The strange thing of this accident is still we having a unconscious pilot. That makes you think that the loss of awareness occurred before the accident because, truly, this is nothing more than a rubs and harms have been virtually cosmetic. "The impact has not been strong and over has been sliding against a wall", says Verdegay.

"If they say to me that he has had a drop in voltage, or that it has gone bad breakfast, because I believe it and I think all logical. What I don't think is 32G, 18G, wind... Something has happened. In my opinion it is clear that the loss of consciousness is cause, does not effect", he concludes.
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Evo video Alonsa kako trenira reflekse.....


Alonso freme per tornare: guardate come testa i suoi riflessi!
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Was steering failure cause of Alonso test crash?
The cause of Fernando Alonso’s mysterious crash during Barcelona testing may now be clearer, as it emerges that the Spaniard felt a heaviness in the steering seconds before the incident.

Until now, McLaren-Honda has insisted the incident that sidelined its star driver for more than a month was not due to a technical failure.

Indeed, as recently as Monday, the British team said an exhaustive investigation showed “nothing” abnormal in the telemetry or as a result of the “subsequent reconstructions and laboratory tests”.

Also until now, Alonso has seemingly had no recollection of the crash, having reportedly even lost twenty years of memories in the immediate aftermath.

But McLaren revealed on Monday: “Fernando recalls a sense of ‘heavy’ steering prior to the accident.”

Marca, a leading Spanish sports daily, said it is the “first explanation” made by McLaren since the crash with “credibility”, amid wild media speculation about electric shock or a pre-existing medical condition that rendered Alonso unconscious.

The newspaper added that the new detail matches data that depicts Alonso steering to the right before hitting the wall “for no apparent reason”.

The hypothesis floated by Marca is that Alonso did indeed have a steering problem before the crash.

It published two photos of the MP4-30: one of Alonso just before he lost control, and another of Jenson Button exiting turn three at exactly the same part of the track.

While Button is holding the steering wheel almost exactly straight, Alonso is steering to the right.

And another photo, taken after Alonso has hit the wall and come to a stop, shows the Spaniard’s steering wheel in almost exactly the same position, indicating the car’s steering might have ‘locked’.

Team boss Eric Boullier recently admitted he has some understanding of why so much speculation has surrounded the mysterious Alonso crash.

“I understand,” he told El Pais newspaper, “but only in part.

“The problem was that the whole thing was on the emotional side. I understand, but some people used the situation incorrectly.

“You know better than I the role Alonso has in Spain,” Boullier told the Spanish journalist, “so it created the opportunity to invent information.”

Arguably another part of the problem, however, was McLaren’s communications strategy, and a series of contradictions made by team supremo Ron Dennis.

“I’m not here to defend Ron,” said Boullier, “but I have often seen misunderstandings because of a bad translation.

“What he said in (the) Barcelona (press conference) was that examinations of the car did not find anything strange. But that’s not against Fernando and for McLaren — we did everything together.

“I know it’s hard to understand, but we still do not know why he crashed. I promise you we are not hiding anything,” the Frenchman insisted.

Marca said Alonso is scheduled to arrive in Malaysia on Tuesday.
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Vjetar je sve izazvao :prcnjau:

Ma pusti ih, posebno Boulliera. Lik ne zna šta govori.
U razumnu srcu mudrost počiva, a što je u bezumnom, to se i pokaže.

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Mislim da oni jako dobro znaju što je u pitanju, ali mi neznamo.
Boullier je ok boss ekipe, ali sjeo na malo veću stolicu nego što je ona u Lotusu.
Dakle priče o vjetru su mi odmah bile prozirne. Također vjerujem da je predsezonski Alonso bio 100% fizički spreman i zdrav. Prije bih povjerovao u ono što se svi kunu da je nemoguće, a to je udar struje, nego udar vjetra ili bolestan Alonso.
Naravno da udar struje može biti smećasta teorija zavjere (ali vjerujem da nije bez razloga spomenuta), ali u svojim komentarima na jednom forumu sam samo htio ukazati da jednoj korporaciji kao što je McLaren i jednoj korporaciji kao što je Honda ne treba negativan publicitet. Iza toga stojim i bojim se da nikad (ili barem ne tako skoro) nećemo saznati što se dogodilo u Barceloni.
Jedan banalan primjer, ni Ferrari ni Mclaren ne žele sućeliti svoje top zvjerke (La Ferrari i P1) na stazi. Naravno zna se zašto, a kao jedan od razloga je da se boje pada prodaje. Dakle ako takve firme nisu spremne sučeliti svoje najbolje automobile na stazi, onda vjerujem da nisu spremni ni reći istinu nakon nesreće na testiranju (jel barem neki....).

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Ma Boullier je inače odličan i to se moglo vidjeti u Lotusu, ali ovamo je totalno izgubio kompas. Ustvari ne toliko koliko nije smio ništa reći, pa se nije snašao u situaciji.
U razumnu srcu mudrost počiva, a što je u bezumnom, to se i pokaže.

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Za sve Alonso teoretičare nema bolje vijesti od ove :) Alonso nije kriv :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: Keep Calm and Cheer for Alonso :kockastazastava:

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Lomi te, al se nedaš
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Fernando Alonso in Malaysia 2015 for Mclaren: 1:41.746

Fernando Alonso in Malaysia 2001 for Minardi: 1:40.249

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Upravo to. Iako je sada McLaren Honda banana, bolidi bi zbilja mogli biti malo brži.
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E ovo je teoretičar.. pogotovo od 11min.. :mrgreen:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhGEV5D5l6k[/youtube]
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Izgleda da je Alonso dobio duplu dozu sedativa nakon sudara u Barceloni...

F1 | Alonso, an overdose of sedatives behind memory loss
On this aspect comes the new indiscretion, signed by Michael Schmidt, historic signing of Auto Motor und Sport: "We have heard rumors that it was erroneously reported that Alonso sedated for twice, once at the accident site and the second to the circuit medical center. The high dosage would explain why his memory of the crash has resurfaced only after and because there is a black hole in his memory between 2 and 6 in the afternoon. "

Schmidt added that this would also explain why the McLaren driver has spent three and a half days in the hospital before returning home. It is interesting to recall how Fabrizio Borra, her personal trainer, had reported in the first moments after the accident, just one administration of sedatives to Alonso.
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Mene zanima nešto drugo: Zašto su Alonsu nakon sudara uopče dali sedative ako je kako on sam kaže bio potpuno pri sebi?
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https://twitter.com/F1insidercom/status/585356069045673984 ..navodno se po boxevima svi inženjeri smiju Alonsovoj tvrdnji koja nigdje nepije vodu.
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Pošto je bio moguć, a na kraju i dijagnoza-potres mozga, do dolaska u bolnicu i pravog pregleda (CT), uvijek se preporuča mozak "odmoriti" tj. smanjiti aktivnost koliko je više moguće, upravo zbog mogućeg oticanja, kao što se kod jačih povreda osoba stavlja u stanje inducirane kome i time prekidaju sve funkcije mozga osim vitalnih. To nije ništa čudno, a i dupla doza sedativa možda ima veze sa tim, možda su pretjerali, ali ko će ga znat. Ne vjerujem da kod te druge doze, da se nije znalo za prvu, pa je došlo do previda. To bi tek bila ozbiljna greška, iako brijem da bi trebalo malo više doza tih sedativa da se osobi ugrozi život.
U izvješću spominju normalnu proceduru, ali nije teško napisati dva reda, zašto se to radi, pa nije divljao Fernando po stazi nakon nesreće da ga je trebalo puškama za uspavljivanje lovit :D

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Ne da EDIT, :crvenazastava: a šta ću mu ja :zelenazastava:

BTW, McLaren je potvrdio da nisu stavljeni svi mogući senzori, kao što je i sam Fernando izjavio, nisu bili svi na upravljačkom sustavu, niti "state of the art", koje su potom stavili kasnije. To je bio neki drukčiji sustav namijenjen Fernandovom stilu vožnje, očito nije sve bilo na razini kao što je sada.
Uostalom, to je njihova privatna stvar tko će koga podržat i kako, te da li uopće hoće. Sumnjam da bi bilo koji vozač štitio tim, ako je došlo do kvara koji se može opet dogoditi, tj. da svjesno vozi sa mogućnošću istog kvara, a da tako direktno ugrožava njegov život, to nije vrijedno nikoje sume novca.
Možda vjerovati i drugim osobama, koje nisu bile niti blizu Mclarenove garaže, pa oni znaju što je bilo ili nije u toj priči. Baš me zanima bi li se itko smijao da se tako nešto bilo kome ponovi, ne daj Bože još i sa gorim posljedicama..
Mnogi ljudi u F1 imaju pametnija posla u svojim garažama od rješavanja tuđih problema. Svakako da ima onih kojima ovakva situacija McH odgovara, to je čista politika van staze. kao i FI-ino njurganje o Manoru, imaju oni svojih posla preko glave, ali je lakše neki put baciti lopticu u tuđe dvorište, skrenuti pozornost sa svojeg. FIA nema razloga štititi ni McH ni Fernanda, u slučaju ozbiljnijeg propusta, nisu niti nadležni za privatne testove, a svejedno su se uključili u istragu.
Zaključak?-sve dalje od Fernandove izjave je isključivo njihova stvar hoće li ili neće odgovoriti na bilo kakve teorije koje se pojavljuju. Tko zadovoljan, tko ne, njegova stvar. :kockastazastava:

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Zeus je napisao/la: U izvješću spominju normalnu proceduru, ali nije teško napisati dva reda, zašto se to radi, pa nije divljao Fernando po stazi nakon nesreće da ga je trebalo puškama za uspavljivanje lovit :D
Sjećam se one izjave novinara Jordia kako je Alonso bio jako uznemiren i da su ga zato sedirali.
Kaže Alonso da se svega sjeća, da je ugasio sve baterije na bolidu..itd.... , ali nekako mi ta izjava ne drži vodu s obzirom da su ga nakon toga sedirali. Možda se i sjeća svega do tad, a onda je počeo bulaznit?!

A ovo za blokadu volana.... sigurno nije stvar za smijat se, jer se svi sjećamo Ayrtonove nesreće u Imoli kad mu je u zavoju puknuo stup volana, a on nije imao sreće niti da ga sediraju, niti bilo šta slično....
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