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Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 12.05.2015., 07:55
Postao JFK
pero iz bukurešta je napisao/la:
Iceman je napisao/la:
c) Ferrari ima očiglednih problema sa tvrđim gumama
Te probleme ima tamo negdje od 2009 godine, dakle cjelu novu F1 eru!
Mišljenja sam da bi sa soft/medium komponenta gap bio dosta manji; to ne opravdava tih 45 sekundi, ali ta trakavica sa Ferrarijem i tvrđom komponentom guma traje i traje i tu ništa nije čudno...
U principu im mekše gume više odgovaraju tj. znatnija je razlika u performansama u odnosu na Mercedes ali nije da imaju neki problem sa tvrđim komponentama jer u Maleziji se isto vozio medium/hard pa je Ferrari pobjedio na utrci.

Ako sam dobro primjetio Kimi je u prvom izlasku u Q1 imao nakon 2. sektora 0,1s zaostatka za Rosbergom koji je u tom trenutku imao najbrže vrijeme. U 3 sektoru je izgubio gotovo 1s. Mislim da je na izlasku iz zadnjeg zavoja ponajviše gubio i da na tom polju moraju tražiti napredak.
Oba vozača Ferrarija su u Barceloni izjavili da je bolid bježao (Kimi je čak posumnjao u nove dijelove pa se vratio na stare).

Šuška se da je Ferrari "spao" u performansama radi pravila o pritisku goriva koje je FIA postrožila od ove utrke, ali mi to nekako ne paše sa ovim što su vozači izjavili.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 12.05.2015., 07:59
Postao JFK
Slavenowsky je napisao/la: Sad je prilika da na testiranju srede ovu aerodinamiku, a misici nam dolaze u Kanadi, ma duga je sezona ljudi :)
Prilika je i da testiraju novi motor koji dolazi u Canadi.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 12.05.2015., 13:44
Postao gidra
Problem je što Ferrari nikako ne može postići optimalnu temperaturu hard guma, zbog Malezijskih vrućina tamo je to pomoglo

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 12.05.2015., 14:15
Postao Iceman
Sreća za Ferrari je što Pirelli namjerava donijeti više medium-soft/soft-super soft kombinaciju guma na sljedećim utrkama.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 12.05.2015., 23:39
Postao hattrick
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https://twitter.com/sebvettelnews/status/598140883360350209 https://twitter.com/sebvettelnews/status/598220993560055810 https://twitter.com/FansOfSebVettel/status/598213696146419712 ________

Barcelona F1 test: Marciello impressed with Ferrari progress

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During the Grand Prix in Barcelona, ​​as we announced several times before the race, Ferrari was planning to bring a front wing magazine. During the weekend the news was previously unknown. With images of this morning it was possible to see the small change that was introduced by engineers at Maranello on SF15-T. Seeing the great work done by aerodynamic to increase the load at the rear was very strange not to see changes improved front end to balance the load between the front and rear.
As you can see from the comparison below, the front wing of Ferrari, was slightly changed the junction between the second and the third flap supplementare.Cambiata, in addition, the swelling between the second and the third flap extra. This new version of the wing has a chord greater than the previous model and is to balance the car aerodynamically balancing the front axle as all updates were designed to increase the load at the rear. Even the management of the flow is modified to marry perfectly with the new aero package.
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Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 13.05.2015., 11:28
Postao hattrick
Pretpostavka kako je novi aero paket ( predpostavljam i softver) rađen za novu specifikaciju agregata koja će tek doći.. te su je htjeli testirati u utrci (VN Španjolske) kako bi dobili što više podataka za obradu.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 13.05.2015., 11:54
Postao gidra
hattrick je napisao/la:Pretpostavka kako je novi aero paket ( predpostavljam i softver) rađen za novu specifikaciju agregata koja će tek doći.. te su je htjeli testirati u utrci (VN Španjolske) kako bi dobili što više podataka za obradu.
Opet ponavljam mješamo kruške i jabuke, naspram bočnih stranica koje uvjetuju hlađenje potonjeg. Ne pričamo o smanjenju zaostatka za Mercedesom već o tome kako je aerodinamika zasebna stvar dok pogonska jedinica također. Pa pogledajte samo RB i McL.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 13.05.2015., 12:14
Postao hattrick
Je u bazi je aerodinamika i jačina agregata odvojivi segmenti za promatranje.. no upravljivost drukčije specifikacije agregata, uklapanje u šasiju i dodatna jačina otvara nove mogućnosti ili potrebe za drukčijom aerodinamikom, suspenzijama i sličnim namještanjima kako bi se bolid balansirao za što bolje performanse.. tako da ona predpostavka u jednu ruku drži vodu. Vidimo da po nekakvom nepisanom pravilu timovi koji su ujedno proizvođači agregata imaju tu prednost da prilagode ta dva segmenta jednom drugom (aerodinamika-PU) više od timova koji su samo njihovi klijenti. Vjerovatno zbog toga što su im performanse agregata i zahtjevi puno prije dotupni kako bi mogli što bolje razraditi plan dizajna same šasije, suspenzije i samim tim aerodinamike.

..iako mi je malo čudno što je Ferrai imao problem u izlasku iz zavoja, jer bi po logici, ako imaš jači agregat to si možeš dozvoliti više krila na bolidu i bolje stintove u zavojima, morali biti konkurentiji u samim zavojima. Previše je nepoznanica, možda i za sam Ferrari.. teško je točno znati što je u njihovim bilježnicama, iako se nemogu odmaknut od dojma da su i oni bili pomalo loše iznenađeni novim aero paketom, bez obzira na specifične uvjete o kojima su svi timovi pričali i muku mučili.

Možda je na kraju ipak istina ona "teorija zavjere" kako Mercedes ove godine samo dozira svoj pravi potencijal agregata (u svrhu ostanka istog).. te su predpostavljali kako će Ferrari napraviti veći gap sa novim nadogradnjama, te shodno tome otvorili malo više slvinu na svom PU. Od tud ona nagla konkurentnost Williamsa i nešto veći gap između Mercedesa i Ferrarija.

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https://twitter.com/SomersF1/status/598429804942200832

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 13.05.2015., 13:41
Postao Slavenowsky
gidra je napisao/la:
hattrick je napisao/la:Pretpostavka kako je novi aero paket ( predpostavljam i softver) rađen za novu specifikaciju agregata koja će tek doći.. te su je htjeli testirati u utrci (VN Španjolske) kako bi dobili što više podataka za obradu.
Opet ponavljam mješamo kruške i jabuke, naspram bočnih stranica koje uvjetuju hlađenje potonjeg. Ne pričamo o smanjenju zaostatka za Mercedesom već o tome kako je aerodinamika zasebna stvar dok pogonska jedinica također. Pa pogledajte samo RB i McL.
Tim za pobjede, treba imati cijeli paket. Sta taj paket cini! Motor, erodinamika (opcenito tijelo bolida) i vozac. Ako je motor slab, a aerodinamika dobra, onda dobijamo slucaj RBR! Ako je motor jak, a slaba aerodinamika, to je slucaj Williams. Racunica je vrlo jednostavna, rad arodinamike sa mehanikom je od kljucnog faktora. Snaga motora nekad ne moze doci do izrazaja ako je aerodinamika slaba, odnosno moze, ali stabilnost bolida je jako upitna. Svi bolidi mogu voziti na ravnici (lupam) preko 350 km/h, ali kako bi se ponasao kroz krivine, to je druga prica. Zbog toga ja spominjem da je kljucno imati dobar sklad motora i aerodinamike.

U Ferrariju su rekli da nisu zadovoljni ovim updatom iako su rekli da su dobili s njim 0,3 sek. Bolid nije toliko stabilan, barem kod Kimija, ali ovo je idealna prilika da se ovi dijelovi srede. Ja sam isto bacio akcenat na to, da ovi dijelovi ne mogu doci do izrazaja zbog slabijeg agregata, jeri su ih Mercedesi na ravnici lako preticali, ali eto ipak je bila boljka aerodinamika. Sad kad se sredi ona i jos pri tome dodati jaci motor, to je pun pogodak.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 14.05.2015., 18:57
Postao hattrick
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What Makes The 2015 Ferrari Different

Ferrari's restructure has had tangible results on track, in the team atmosphere and in its design philosophy. CRAIG SCARBOROUGH analyses how the SF15-T stands out from both its rivals and its predecessors

As Ferrari drifted through 2014 with poor results, massive changes were under way at Maranello.

While the overhaul of team management was perhaps most significant to the resurgence that followed, Ferrari has also made a step change in its car design, this year's car being significantly different to its predecessors.

It now seems the team's internal structure has allowed the different technical departments to work in unison, and that a big factor in the improved 2015 form is that the power unit and chassis are both integrated and complementary to a far greater degree than in 2014.

Power Unit/Gearbox

While Ferrari's new chassis clearly offers a handling improvement over the old, a significant proportion of its performance gain comes from the power unit and its packaging.

Last year's introduction of the new 1.6-litre V6 turbo hybrid engines led Ferrari to develop a power unit that compromised horsepower to facilitate a better fit in the chassis. But the chassis did not overcome the lack of power in 2014.

Ferrari has reversed the chassis/power-unit compromise, aiming not only for more outright power, but also improved driveability and more contribution from the ERS-H (heat) in the race.

The 2014 package produced an aggressive power delivery and ERS-H was largely used to provide extra boost in qualifying; the wastegate was run partly open to reduce back pressure. This left it lacking electrical energy to power the MGU-K (kinetic) in the race.

Outwardly, the power unit looks little different to last year. The exhausts have been shortened and the oil tank moved to the front of the engine. But its aims have been met and the motor is challenging Mercedes, although it is still short on power and fuel efficiency compared with the all-conquering Mercedes unit.

The carbonfibre gearbox case has been reshaped in the bellhousing area. Last year, this area was open to contain the turbo, such that the front of the case formed an open 'U' shape rather than a closed 'O'.

The turbo remains within the gear case, but the case now passes over the turbo to close the front into a hexagon-like shape. This makes the case stiffer, owing to the enclosed form, and the turbo exhaust pipe also gets a smoother run. It now passes through an aperture halfway along the top of the case. This less-contorted exhaust pipe releases more power.

Retained from last year is the water-cooled intercooler. This sits in the V of the engine and cools the air compressed by the rear-mounted turbocharger before entering the engine's inlets. This is a neat set-up, saving space in either the sidepods or fuel tank areas, but it does compromise the inlet design.
This design adds a small but significant issue with the new engine, in that it does not run variable-length inlets - making Ferrari the only team not taking advantage of the concession to use these in 2015. Variable-length inlets improves the power unit's driveability, and for Ferrari to adopt these a lot of tokens will need to be spent to alter the inlets and the intercooler design.

Ferrari has a healthy amount of development tokens left to use during the year and so far has had excellent reliability. Mercedes chief Niki Lauda is among those suggesting the Ferrari power unit is now nearly a match for Mercedes in peak horsepower terms. The development race in this area will hot up later this year as these two manufacturers start to add power-unit performance.

Sidepods & Radiators

Ferrari has made big gains here. Since the modified engine package creates more power, and therefore more heat, the radiators must be larger and cannot be vertically mounted as they were in 2014.

In order to package the radiators in a flatter position, Ferrari had to solve the problem of how to make the horizontal cooling airflow turn 90 degrees to pass vertically through the heat exchanger, and then turn again to exit the sidepods.

Rather than use large ductwork to turn the airflow, which would add bulk, Ferrari has chosen to use a series of small vanes under and over the radiator surface to redirect the air. This ensures airflow distribution over the radiator cores is consistent, and that the outer sidepod shape can be made as small as possible.

With the Barcelona update, this radiator set-up allowed a dramatic shrinking of the fronts of the sidepods. The outer shoulder of the sidepod has been lowered in line with the side impact structures, freeing up airflow over the engine cover to improve the performance of the rear wing and diffuser.

Rear Wing

Ferrari has experimented extensively with rear-wing endplates during the past two years. The rules dictate that the endplates must meet a large minimum cross-sectional area, which means they obstruct airflow under the wing and around the rear wheels.

As with most others on the grid, Ferrari's vertical leading edge has a pair of slots to improve flow through the wing. There are also vanes along the endplates' lower edge to turn the air behind the rear tyre to reduce drag.

But Ferrari has added a series of louvres. This passes airflow upwards from inside the wing to the area behind the rear brake ducts. It's common to shape the rear brakes to act as wings, and as a result they create an upwash. It appears Ferrari has added these louvres to aid the upwash effect and allow the rear ducts to create more downforce.

Front Wing

Ferrari launched the SF15-T with an incredible eight-element front wing, but this was subsequently replaced during testing with an ostensibly simpler one. In fact, this wing created even more complex airflow structures, but with less physical complication.

The key areas of the front wing are the outboard sections (marked in black), which are segmented from the inner sections of the wing. These are the hardest-working sections of the wing and are shaped to throw their wake outboard of the front tyre. This improves the airflow downstream. Mercedes has its own, more aggressive, interpretation of this segmented outswept wing.

Ferrari also runs a different nose layout to most other teams, with a long snout mounted to a downswept chassis front. According to technical director James Allison, this makes it difficult to engineer a short nose.

But there are still suggestions that a shorter nose will appear, although it's debatable whether the effort needed to manufacture and crash-test a new one will be worth the performance gain.

PULLROD FRONT SUSPENSION

The suitability of the pullrod front suspension is much debated. It involves the actuating rod pulling the springs and dampers rather than pushing. This means the rod is reversed from the conventional position, passing from the top of the wheel to the bottom of the chassis.

In this position, the pullrod works better for aerodynamic gain because it cleans up the brake duct area and sits in a position to control the front-wing wake.

It's often believed that the different rod position creates problems with suspension geometry, meaning it works the spring and dampers in a different way, but this is a fallacy.

Ferrari has proved the pullrod works without compromising front-end grip, although this year it did need to stiffen the wishbones and pullrod to get the best performance out of it.

Barcelona Update

These changes appear to be aimed at the flow along the flanks of the car, from the front-brake duct gaining new vanes to direct the front wing's wake around the inside face of the wheel, to the bargeboard with several slots to swirl the airflow through the undercut in the sidepods.

Around the rear tyres a new series of three slots in the floor ahead of the tyre reduces the amount of the tyre's wake entering the diffuser, then behind the tyre a tiny two-element winglet was added to the outer edge of the diffuser.

Ferrari was unsure if this massive update was working as well as expected after the opening practice sessions. Barcelona, despite being the most familiar track to the teams, often brings up rapidly-changing track conditions due to sun affecting track temperatures and wind affecting downforce in the corners.

Thus the Scuderia split its cars between new and old set-ups. The poor performance from Kimi Raikkonen in the race was suggested by his race engineer Dave Greenwood to be a result of the differing packages.

In testing this week the team retained its new aero set-up and it appears its introduction is a positive step overall. It can be expected to form the base of Ferrari's summer campaign at the European tracks.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 14.05.2015., 19:27
Postao gidra
Ferrari očekivano produžio ugovor sa Philipom Morrisom na 3 godine. Ugovor je završavao krajem ove godine, no Maurizio koji je došao baš iz PM je sklopio novi deal. Šuška se o cifri od 160 milijuna dolara. Šteta što je 2011 godine zabranjeno reklamiranje duhanskih proizvoda jer Marlboro na zadnjem krilu hvata nostalgične note.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 16.05.2015., 19:21
Postao hattrick
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMWzdaqrT2Y[/youtube]

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Izgleda da je prošlu utrku glavni problem bio u mehaničkom gripu, a ne u aerodinamici (Ferrari i Mercedes su poprilično slični u tom aero. pogledu).. već je bolid prosipao snagu u visokim obrtajima prilikom izlaska iz zavoja. Razlika je stoga bila veća na ovoj stazi jer se previše gubilo na startnoj/ciljnoj ravnici i to cijelih pola sekunde, no također i u svim drugim sektorima.. jer je bolid morao imati drukčije putanje od idealne (dosta šire) kako bi što manje snage prosipao u visokim obrtajima.

Drugim riječima, problem sa suspenzijom nije riješen, te će se na različitim stazama pokazati naglašeniji, dok na drugima ne toliko.. ovisno o samom karakteru staze. Problem je također još naglašeniji kad se koriste tvrđe komponente guma (logično zbog manjeg gripa same komponente), dok mekše komponente tipa Soft, S.Soft i eventualno na nekim abrazivnijim stazama Medium kolko-tolko anuliraju taj problem glađu za mehaničkim gripom, te putanje mogu biti puno agresivnije nego inače. Znači kad god ispod felki imaju žvakaću gumu u kombinaciji abrazivnog asfalta i više temperature biti će moguće konkurirati kao u Maleziji, dok će u suprotnom biti situacija slična Barceloni.

U Monako dolaze dvije najmekše komponente, no također je staza dosta skliska i neabrazivna.. u svakom slučaju nebi se trebala toliko vidjeti razlika kao u Španjolskoj. U svakom slučaju se nadam toplijem vremenu i boljim rezultatima.
https://twitter.com/RoboCoP_G/status/599571410160353280 (The soft compound of Monaco, will most likely to mask the problems of mechanical grip and traction in Sf15-T)

..shodno tomu informacije kažu da bi se vrlo vjerovatno sljedeće godine vratio dobri stari prednji PUSH ROD:
https://twitter.com/KimiSanton/status/599578911928950784

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 17.05.2015., 21:13
Postao hattrick
Omnicorse:
There is a delay for the new engine, that would be developed in collaboration with the specialists of AVL in Graz
In particular it has not yet passed all tests (it should be used at least for 5 gp)
Anyway, it doesn't have performance problems (it should bring at least 20 hp)
od @Gianlu_DAle

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 18.05.2015., 11:53
Postao Iceman
Šteta za suspension. Nadao sam se da bi se to moglo riješiti kroz par utrka. No kako god bitno da razumiju gdje je problem i kako ga riješiti. :thumbs:

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 18.05.2015., 18:01
Postao JFK
Potvrđeno je da aero updati funkcioniraju i da kreiraju više downforce-a. Barcelona sektor 3 najviše ovisi o trakciji, što izgleda ostaje slaba točka Ferrarija duže vremena. Nasuprot tome bolje čuvaju gume, pa će (kao što to obični i biva) rezultati ovisiti ponajviše o konfiguraciji staze i atmosferskim uvjetima.

http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferra ... stigation/

Velika je stvar da se poboljšanja konstantno donose, a pogotovo kad funkcioniraju. U Monacu stoga ostaje ovaj aero paket + neke nadogradnje posebno za ovu utrku.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 19.05.2015., 08:31
Postao hattrick
Evo i Scarbsov opis izmjena na bolidu crvene boje:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH2qovz_lso[/youtube]

i od prije Somersov:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPRayM6TZkk[/youtube]

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 20.05.2015., 12:55
Postao hattrick
Rivola returns to work for Ferrari
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/status/600975021717196801 Vratile se Raviole :D no kuhar izgleda ispušio.

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 20.05.2015., 14:35
Postao Slavenowsky
Mozda je bio kratko u McLarenu, vidio pravo stanje pa se vratio :D ;)

Ovo je samo dokaz koliko je Ferrari tajnovit, nema sta se nije pisalo, ali ocigledno je covijek imao nekih privatnih problema - rijesio i vratio se na posao :)

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 20.05.2015., 14:47
Postao hattrick
Zanimljivo kako je Arrivabene rekao da je izostanak Riviole bio u privatne svrhe.. no nitko mu nije vjerovao. :D

Re: Scuderia Ferrari

Postano: 22.05.2015., 19:55
Postao hattrick
:cool: :cool: :rofl:

..neki lik u Monacu:

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