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McLaren driver Carlos Sainz he believes few current drivers could win Lewis Hamilton in a Mercedes, but that in the absence of a seven-time champion they could win with that car.
Hamilton won his seventh world title after one of his most dominant seasons of his career, shrouded in a brilliant comeback victory in Turkey.
Six of Hamilton’s seven titles arrived in the V6 hybrid era, in which his Mercedes team was the dominant force. This rekindled the debate about the role the car and driver played in Hamilton’s record success.
Hamilton’s colleague Sainz argued that “90 percent of the grid wouldn’t beat Hamilton in a Mercedes,” but that any driver on the current grid could win races with a Mercedes W11 if the world champion is removed from the equation.
“As a teammate, with that car very few people could beat Hamilton during a 20-race season. But if you remove Hamilton from the grid, any current F1 driver would win with a Mercedes. ”
- CARLOS SAINZ
"It describes a lot of what's going on with the current F1, but also that Hamilton, even if it has the best car, is one of the best or the best for a long time."
According to Sainz, Hamilton’s ability to provide a good game when it matters is one of the attributes that sets him apart.
“I watch carefully as Hamilton acts under pressure. How in Q3 he always manages to do all the sectors well and take the pole, even if it's a little bit compared to Bottas. ”
- CARLOS SAINZ
"In Austria, he took a second and a half from his teammate in the rain. There are things you don't see everyone doing."
Sainz, who will move from McLaren to Ferrari next year, added that he would “have to be Hamilton’s teammate” to truly understand what makes a 35-year-old different.
"Without driving the same car, it is impossible for the driver to know how good the other [driver] really is. Hamilton seems to me to be one of the best drivers in history, and I know that even without being his teammate. ”
- CARLOS SAINZ
"I'm very curious to know what it might be like to have [Ayrton] Senna as a teammate or [Michael Schumacher, to learn from them, to know what they're doing to be so good."
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Ham learned from the best, from Alonso.
As they drove together he was free to take a look at his “papers” and learn relatively early.
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I agree with Sainz.
After so many years of coordination, accumulated self-confidence and Merc hinterland…
Those 10% who could (for example, sit in Merc instead of Bottas next year) are Max, Ricci, Leclerc and possibly Seb (depending on the state of mind after everything has passed…)
But also, let’s put any good driver in a Mercedes instead of a Ham from the start when he first came to a Mercedes, with equal treatment / support, 90% of them would be able to accomplish the same as Hamilton. Some maybe even more (some wouldn't even lose that season from Rosberg).
Well that's the problem.
I am sorry that Ham had little competition before and that he did not have the opportunity and circumstances to shine as Senna and Schumacher shone.
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Well worded, I agree! : thumbs:
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All five, but to be honest, Šumi didn't have a lot of difficult teammates either. Okay he had other teams, but realistically, no teammates other than Rosberg (and back then Šumi was no longer at the top of his game, that stands) and other than those races with Piquet, he’s not the top driver himself. Hamilton drove with both Alonso and Button and Rosberg. No matter how lucky the last two win titles, if you are not talented enough, luck will never help you.
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what is not said better without that thing than without happiness? : D
- Alonso we can't exclusively say that he won, we can argue but that one of them beat the other I don't think we can say, Rosberg managed to beat Hamilton, and the button drove against Hamilton below its limits ..
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The man was better than Alonso, Button and Rosberg. Let me find a driver who has a similar score against such quality drivers.
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Rosberg is a quality driver, but some other drivers who are close to his quality are underestimated, when someone's success should be diminished…
For example, Webber got it in the same car. True, in Rosberg's rookie season, but the real champions proved themselves immediately in the first season. And when did Rosberg show quality? In a Mercedes against old Schumacher, who had a lot more problems, and years? He won the title in a car in which he could only lose to a teammate. Button too. The aforementioned Webber has also been praised since joining F1. He won points in Minardi, the team from behind. Got Heidfeld when he came to his team, Williams BMW. The man who got Raikkonen and Kubica in the same car, and who was considered one of the best in the middle of the standings. And how is he viewed now? As for the average driver, or the story goes that he was sabotaged by the Red Bull side, when Vettel is belittled… And the fact is that they both received team orders (Multi 12 and Multi 21), and both refused to obey them. Webber before Vettel. Only Webber because of the complex liked to play the victim in public and introduce himself as number 2 XNUMX It is also true that Vettel got him as soon as he came to his team, and continued to get him as they drove together.
As I said at the beginning, I don’t dispute Rosberg’s quality, but I don’t believe it’s any better than some of the other drivers being challenged. We can’t even know that until we see them in the same conditions.
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I don’t think the point is that Rosberg is top 5 all time.
But the point is that when you take Alonso, Rosberg and Button together that no one had such a profile of teammates. That is, those who had did not do very well.
Vettel had a good comparison had Webber, Riccio and Leclerc. 2/3 got it. (Webbera won, of these 2 lost)
Hama didn't win any (Alonso won 1: 0, Button 2: 1, Rosberg 2: 1 and that one spent so much that the man retired)
And there are a lot of them who took the title when their only competition was a teammate, so you don't dispute their qualities (Senna, Prost, Mansell come to mind from the first). It can’t be an argument that someone is a less good champion.
And what difference does it make whether the competition is inside or outside the team? It’s even harder for me when it’s a teammate because he can see all the telemetry and all the setup data.
When you look at most seasons, 2 drivers competed for the title, seasons like 2012 are rare.
So that argument doesn't really make sense.
Alonsu’s only competitor was MS, MSu’s only competitor was Hakkinen or Montoya depending on the season. Jaques MS, Hill too, Senna Prost and vice versa, not to mention you get my point.
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Haha, how in gloves to declare Hamilton a product of Mercedes and the teams he drove. He didn't bring anything there, no talent, at least no more than 90% of the grid. In fact, even less, because some wouldn’t even lose from a Rosberg.
Sainz said the exact opposite, but the main thing is that you open with "I agree with Sainz." : D: D
They are passionate frustrations.
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You see I’m sure without Hamilton in a Mercedes Rosberg would have had another title, no matter who drove with him on the team. Nico is underestimated again.
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As a teammate, with that car very few people could beat Hamilton during a 20-race season. But if you remove Hamilton from the grid, any current F1 driver would win with a Mercedes. ”
Best said so far as things stand.
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The only real competition Hamilton had was by Rosberg, during those three years they both pushed their cars to the maximum
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Mature and objective thinking of Carlos Sainz Jr.
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Rosberg is back, With you and with Mercedes domination it was exciting. It was not Mečka who killed F1, but Botas captured it.
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At Rosberg, the passport was important for him to have a chance at all.
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Uuuu, hahaha.
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There is always a surprise factor. How many of these "90%" have tried to drive this Mercedes? The fact is that no one might dominate like Hamilton because he is still 8 years on the team!
The other day I was attacked for saying that Hamilton was the only young driver to get a championship car and also a chance to fight for the title, and how many are there today? ZERO!
It's just that no one is eternal, not even Hamilton, after "someone", always comes "someone"!
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You said it was a minus for you at Ham and that you haven't loved him since then because he was allowed to fight on an equal footing with Alonso. Freedom to put a link to your statement if I'm lying.
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What are you talking? I was based on the fact that the ONLY IN HISTORY F1 is a young driver who got a championship car and all possible rights to fight for the title in the rookie season, no one has had it yet and will not
Now give Hamilton some "new" Hamilton, so let's see that percentage of 90%!
And btw I just got Hamilton from those days, a driver who is eager to prove himself, shut up and drive, today we have Hamilton who is always hooked on something, but that has nothing to do with the topic I'm talking about.
Now give Hamilton Leclerc, Max, Russell, Norris (guys eager to prove it) and even Saniz, to see if the 90% theory is correct.
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Where did this come from that he is the only one in the history of F1 to get such a car in the rookie season? Well there were drivers before Hamilton who had a title car in their first seasons. And what are the rights to fight for the title? He got a car like Alonso and a chance to show what he knows.
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Jacques? A winning car, more than Hamilton's 2007, because Jacques' teammate won the title. Until the last race he was in a chance for the title, so he could compete.
There is great frustration, and then the need to portray Hamilton as some privileged driver.
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lukarak
Again no comparison, Frentzen came to Williams as a mediocre driver, his chances in Williams were the same as in Villeneuve. Alonso came to McLaren as a two-time champion, it’s something totally different. I mean, what's the point of bringing an expensive and crowned driver if you give a chance to a younger driver?
Come on, rewind the movies, so since that day, has any team had such a situation in the team?
I don't know what kind of sick wish you have to connote yourself with a comment in which you have to tell someone something, because God is touching your favorite. I don't know if it's affecting your family or what? Why do I get frustrated with Hamilton? Why would he have that? I’m commenting on something that’s realistic, Hamilton got a great chance at McLaren, SO BE FUCKINGly parliamentary and agree with the fact that also some of the younger drivers get a chance to be side by side with Hamilton.
It was thick for me to watch that 2007 season, I’m not commenting that Hamilton shouldn’t have gotten a chance, fuck me for it, so I was better off with Hamilton being there, putting pressure on Alons and there were leg fights, which were just made it easier for Ferrari to win the title.
TO REPEAT AGAIN, it is not a problem that Hamilton got a chance for the title, but a PROBLEM that others cannot get the same with Hamilton.
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Oh my sweet summer child….
Frentzen? It is about Villeneuve who came as a newcomer to F1996 in 1 in a team with Hill who was 2nd in the championship the previous two seasons (both times behind MSC, one of the best of all time), and that year he won and fought with the last race. Villeneuveom.
So, Hamilton is not "THE ONLY ONE IN HISTORY F1" "no one has had it yet and neither will" "kme kme" driver who as a beginner got the winning car.
When someone has the need to lock caps, so scream and shout, in addition to false information. these are your frustrations;)
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Don’t you think that getting a chance as a rookie to fight for the title next to Alonso that says how good he was instead is privileged?
The man in the first race on the outside of the 1st turn coldly went around Alonso, how many rookies would it have balls + knew how to do?
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You obviously forgot Villneuve.
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Sainz is absolutely right when he says that there are drivers who would win the championship with that car, but there are not many of them who would do that with Hamilton.
I don’t cheer for Hamilton nor do I really like him, but that’s a fact.
Well he sucked both soul and life out of Rosberg in a couple of seasons, sent him into retirement, and he still drives… ..
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At this point (when Hamilton has 7 years of the team behind him), when he knows the car and the team at heart, there is certainly hardly anyone who would get it. But, if he had a top driver with him from the first day (2014) (Rosberg is a great driver, but he is not a top cannon) and that the team would not favor anyone, I don't think he would dominate that much, I believe there would be 50: 50 with that someone else
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That's why the 80's were the top. Prost, Senna, Piquet, Mansell, Lauda…
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Well I would beat him without any exaggeration
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Sainz you have a plus from me, we are waiting for you at Ferrari <3
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